Even Before Fast and Furious, They Had Guns on Their Minds

American Thinker ^ | December 21, 2011 | M. Catharine Evans

[neverdem]

What Obama administration officials, including the president, knew or didn't know about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives' 2009 Operation Fast and Furious has little to do with what they should have known.

Attorney General Holder, Secretary Clinton, President Obama, and Secretary Napolitano each declared that he or she did not know about Fast and Furious until 2011. But what should they have known about a federal program that eventually led to mass murder?

In a 1999 web article on leadership, writer and attorney Jonathan Wallace examined the question of when to hold those in power accountable. He begins with a two-part question: "did he know or should he have known?"

The first approach holds a leader responsible for giving the order, or being aware of an intended action and failing to stop it. The second blames him for failing to ask the right questions or to set the right standards for the organization. Lawyers call the first failing "intent" and the second "negligence".

There is a third legal theory which is relevant: that of "absolute liability." Under certain circumstances, the law calls a party to account for a bad outcome regardless of intention or negligence.

The sense that one has responsibility -- without the ability to make things come out right is pervasive in society today[.] ... the panacea promised to people with a strong sense of victimhood is all too often the opposite evil: authority without responsibility.

Later in his essay, Wallace could have been describing the major players in Operation Fast and Furious when he asserts that "authority without responsibility creates monsters."

And if Wallace's analysis applies, demanding the "I won" administration to tell us "who gave the order" is futile and will lead only to boxes of purged e-mails. Congressman Darrell Issa (R-CA)...

[neverdem]

Moonbats - stuck on stupid - always get innocent people killed.

[thouworm]

very late but noteworthy F&F ping.

“Moonbats - stuck on stupid - always get innocent people killed.”

respectfully disagree... Bats out of hell and willfully criminal...who, by the way, could care less about murdered innocents.

[MestaMachine]

In before dawn.....Ping

[MestaMachine]

“authority without responsibility creates monsters.”

And I vehemently disagree with this. They were monsters FIRST. Only monsters would deliberately create a situation like this knowing full well many innocent people would die because of it, and they did not care. In faact, thy were overjoyed.
Monsters before, monsters now, and monsters forevermore.

[neverdem]

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[TigersEye]

Amen to that! They deliberately tried to create a bubble of unaccountability around themselves to carry out their murderous scheme.

[Joe Boucher]

Sooo,
Why is the Republican “leadership” basically ignoring F & F?
Holder, Clinton, and obammy were trying to subvert our constitution.
Guess everyone is afraid of being labeled a racist.
Can’t criticize our dear leader now can we?
What a bunch of horse crap.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Moonbats - stuck on stupid - always get innocent people killed.

. . . and that's just the Obama voters.

[PGalt]

Pre-meditated, agenda-driven murderers (it didn’t matter who was killed, it only mattered what they were killed with) were monsters (psychopaths) from the get go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tro2U-cezqo

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

Later in his essay, Wallace could have been describing the major players in Operation Fast and Furious when he asserts that "authority without responsibility creates monsters."

And if Wallace's analysis applies, demanding the "I won" administration to tell us "who gave the order" is futile and will lead only to boxes of purged e-mails.

As far as voting for president is concerned, the theory of absolute "it happened on his watch" responsibility has to apply. Of course one of the primary ways the AP journalism monopoly puts its thumb on the scale is by applying high standards of responsibility to Republican and no standard of responsibility to Democrats. A Ronald Reagan can, quite properly, verbally "take responsibility" for a serious lapse which happened on his watch when he does not ascribe negligence or malfeasance to his subordinates. He did so in the aftermath of the truck bombing of the Marine barracks in Lebanon. But when he did, Sam Donaldson asked him if he was going to resign!

But a Bill Clinton can get caught with an opposition research specialist committing felonies on a wholesale basis in the WH basement, without even admitting that he hired whoever hired Craig Livingstone - if indeed he didn't do so himself. No thought, on the part of any journalist, of absolute responsibility then!!!

Basically, journalists, academics, and others who criticize without any bottom-line responsibility for the results of their supposed panaceas are the worst sort to be put in charge of anything. They will promote socialism, which is the ultimate separation of responsibility from authority. And that is monstrous, as the article suggests.

[Erik Latranyi]

In every country where socialism took root, the lives of individuals were sacrificed in the name of the “group”.

Socialists do not care about their own supporters....just look at our inner cities.

Socialists do not care about private-sector unions...just look at Keystone XL Pipeline.

Socialists do not care about minorities....just look at Elian Gonzalez.

Socialists only care about their own power. This is why they funnel confiscated money to friends who give that money back to the campaign while telling everyone that they care about the environment.

[Dixie Yooper]

If you put guns in the hands of really bad outlaws, guns will become really bad...and will need to be outlawed.

[wastoute]

Free republic is about as close to journalism as you are gonna get in America anymore.

[bcsco]

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[drpix]

The author hit a walk off grand slam with the last paragraph:

"All four principals -- Obama, Holder, Napolitano, and Clinton -- visited Mexico in March and April of 2009. All four raised the issue of smuggled guns, and each in his or her own way vowed to "take the fight to the Mexican drug cartels." All four supported tightening loopholes in existing gun laws and reinstituting the AWB. All four have denied knowledge of a program named Fast and Furious. All four executives in charge should have known what we citizens now know."

Obama told Anti-2nd Amendment Nazi, Sarah Brady, "we are working on it...under the radar," and the concerted actions of all four clearly prove that they not only knew of Fast and Furious, but orchestrated it.

This is not a case of "stuck on stupid," but of the radical leftists of the Obama Regime, engaged in a premeditated criminal conspiracy to destroy the 2nd Amendment.

[TheOldLady]

Well said, and absolutely right.

[MHGinTN]

And all four will go unpunished for their criminal works because the Republic has been thoroughly corrupted, such that We The People are no longer the sovereigns. So the deaths of literally hundreds, drenching the guilty power mad democrats at the top with blood exposes what now gets a wink and a nod, as the dying Republic quivers in its death throws. ... Thanks to the Democrat Party, which used the slaughter of millions of alive unborn children as an empowerment scheme that cankered the morals of the people and ended their rule of themselves. All by design of course. Just look back at presdient Johnson's purposeful corrupting and Kennedy's degeneracy and Clinton's pass for moral degeneracy in office. We The People are nw reaping what we've allowed dead soul liberals to ‘sew’.

[MestaMachine]

Horrible, but shamefully true.

[IMR 4350]

Everybody keep telling yourselves and anyone else that will listen “It's all about gun controle”.

When those weapons are being used in the streets of America during the race riots they are orchestrating, tell yourselves “it's all about gun control”.

When they put the troops in the streets to stop the violence, tell yourselves “it's all about gun control”.

Just keep telling yourselves “it's all about gun control” they don't intend to take ALL of our rights, just our right to own a gun.

[drpix]

Here's a little help!

Why was it "all about gun control" for Democrats like Congresswoman Maxine Waters - both before and after the 1992 LA riots?

ARMED Korean Merchants during that riot

UNARMED Reginald Denny during that riot

You bet your @$$ that for leftist radicals dreaming/plotting for transformation/revolution in America, the God-fearing America-loving citizens ("clinging to their guns and bible") must be disarmed - before their godless anti-American and largely criminal mobs can prevail.