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Professor vs. Professor (Newt vs. Obama Fantasy)
New York Times ^ | Ross Douthat

Posted on 12/11/2011 9:17:34 AM PST by indianrightwinger

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1 posted on 12/11/2011 9:17:35 AM PST by indianrightwinger
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I think once one becomes a professor they are required to turn in their common sense.


2 posted on 12/11/2011 9:19:32 AM PST by GraceG
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To: indianrightwinger

Wasn’t JF’nK really a medal flinger?


3 posted on 12/11/2011 9:28:36 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: GraceG

Zer0 was only a lecturer - still is only that.


4 posted on 12/11/2011 9:29:20 AM PST by Paladin2
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To: indianrightwinger

There are conservatives who I think put too much emphasis on Newt “winning” the debates against Obama, but this article exaggerates how much this accounts for Newt’s appeal.

Newt seems to be pulling ahead because he’s not Romney, he expresses his ideas forcefully, and he is not cowed by the media.

We want a President who loves America, who takes America’s side always, and who refuses to coddle those who do not.

This is separate from scoring intellectual points in any debate. It is a matter of taking the correct side in the debate and having your heart in it.


5 posted on 12/11/2011 9:33:36 AM PST by rogue yam
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Conservatives may want catharsis, but the rest of the public seems to mainly want reassurance.

Wrong, they want a leader

They already know Barack Obama isn’t the messiah he was once cracked up to be.

Right

What they don’t know is whether they can trust anyone else to do better.

It is true that the undecideds are undecided because, although they have discounted Obama, they are not yet reassured with respect to the Republican. That sets the bar about as low as possible for a Republican to win-all he has to do is avoid gaffes and reassure.


6 posted on 12/11/2011 9:46:51 AM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: indianrightwinger
More from the article:

"... conservatives don’t actually need to explode the fantasy of Obama’s eloquence and omnicompetence. The harsh reality of governing has already done that for them...."

It appears even the NYT has realized that it was in reality only a fantasy.

"... Nobody awaits the president’s speeches with panting anticipation these days, or expects him to slay his opponents with the power of his intellect. Obamamania peaked with the inauguration, and it’s been ebbing ever since...Because every time he opens his mouth, his utter ignorance is on public display.

"... but the rest of the public seems to mainly want reassurance. They already know Barack Obama isn't’t the messiah he was once cracked up to be. What they don’t know is whether they can trust anyone else to do better.

The republican candidate only has to persuade voters that he is capable of doing better,...

The public editor is off today.

That is obvious, as they let this author admitting their messiah is simply hot air actually appear in print.

7 posted on 12/11/2011 9:49:53 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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Conservatives may want catharsis, but the rest of the public seems to mainly want reassurance. They already know Barack Obama isn’t the messiah he was once cracked up to be. What they don’t know is whether they can trust anyone else to do better.

I trust Newt to do better.


8 posted on 12/11/2011 10:09:17 AM PST by HotKat (Politicians are like diapers; they need to be changed often and for the same reason. Mark Twain)
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To: rogue yam

If you live in Massachusetts as I do (if you want to call that living) you will if you file a tax form each year that will remind you about what Romney Care has accomplished here.

It is one thing for Apologists for Romney to say that the Legislature changed the Law. It is quite another for Romney to defend his “legacy.”

Romney is unacceptable as a Presidential candidate.


9 posted on 12/11/2011 10:11:23 AM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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To: rogue yam

If you live in Massachusetts as I do (if you want to call that living) you will if you file a tax form each year that will remind you about what Romney Care has accomplished here.

It is one thing for Apologists for Romney to say that the Legislature changed the Law. It is quite another for Romney to defend his “legacy.”

Romney is unacceptable as a Presidential candidate.


10 posted on 12/11/2011 10:11:34 AM PST by Radix ("..Democrats are holding a meeting today to decide whether to overturn the results of the election.")
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Wow, does the NYT give some big award for cluelessness that this author is gunning for?

First of all, John Kerry as a war hero turned out to be a hoax that was to a large extent exposed in the elections. Also Obama as an intellectual was always a hoax, rather he is a professional B.S. artist and graft hungry narcissist. Granted the left missed both these things...but they are in the business of being clueless, and they have gotten very good at it.

George W Bush, did serve honorably and is a likable guy, but he did not run or win as a warrior, but as the pick of the Republican establishment because he was not too conservative. If there was any soft soap about him that turned out to be wrong, it was the idea that he was a conservative.

Newt is not ahead in polls because he is a professor, but because he is the not-Romney flavor of the month...the Republican nomination is always about getting a conservative vs getting somebody the elites are comfy with. Romney is the establishment choice, and the rest of us are generally favoring whichever non-establishment choice seems to be ahead.

NYT = Morons. Plain and simple.

11 posted on 12/11/2011 10:20:35 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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Wow, does the NYT give some big award for cluelessness that this author is gunning for?

First of all, John Kerry as a war hero turned out to be a hoax that was to a large extent exposed in the elections. Also Obama as an intellectual was always a hoax, rather he is a professional B.S. artist and graft hungry narcissist. Granted the left missed both these things...but they are in the business of being clueless, and they have gotten very good at it.

George W Bush, did serve honorably and is a likable guy, but he did not run or win as a warrior, but as the pick of the Republican establishment because he was not too conservative. If there was any soft soap about him that turned out to be wrong, it was the idea that he was a conservative.

Newt is not ahead in polls because he is a professor, but because he is the not-Romney flavor of the month...the Republican nomination is always about getting a conservative vs getting somebody the elites are comfy with. Romney is the establishment choice, and the rest of us are generally favoring whichever non-establishment choice seems to be ahead.

NYT = Morons. Plain and simple.

12 posted on 12/11/2011 10:20:54 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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Wow, does the NYT give some big award for cluelessness that this author is gunning for?

First of all, John Kerry as a war hero turned out to be a hoax that was to a large extent exposed in the elections. Also Obama as an intellectual was always a hoax, rather he is a professional B.S. artist and graft hungry narcissist. Granted the left missed both these things...but they are in the business of being clueless, and they have gotten very good at it.

George W Bush, did serve honorably and is a likable guy, but he did not run or win as a warrior, but as the pick of the Republican establishment because he was not too conservative. If there was any soft soap about him that turned out to be wrong, it was the idea that he was a conservative.

Newt is not ahead in polls because he is a professor, but because he is the not-Romney flavor of the month...the Republican nomination is always about getting a conservative vs getting somebody the elites are comfy with. Romney is the establishment choice, and the rest of us are generally favoring whichever non-establishment choice seems to be ahead.

NYT = Morons. Plain and simple.

13 posted on 12/11/2011 10:20:57 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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Wow, does the NYT give some big award for cluelessness that this author is gunning for?

First of all, John Kerry as a war hero turned out to be a hoax that was to a large extent exposed in the elections. Also Obama as an intellectual was always a hoax, rather he is a professional B.S. artist and graft hungry narcissist. Granted the left missed both these things...but they are in the business of being clueless, and they have gotten very good at it.

George W Bush, did serve honorably and is a likable guy, but he did not run or win as a warrior, but as the pick of the Republican establishment because he was not too conservative. If there was any soft soap about him that turned out to be wrong, it was the idea that he was a conservative.

Newt is not ahead in polls because he is a professor, but because he is the not-Romney flavor of the month...the Republican nomination is always about getting a conservative vs getting somebody the elites are comfy with. Romney is the establishment choice, and the rest of us are generally favoring whichever non-establishment choice seems to be ahead.

NYT = Morons. Plain and simple.

14 posted on 12/11/2011 10:21:00 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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Newt Tried to Install Internal Passports on Us in 1998
15 posted on 12/11/2011 10:48:57 AM PST by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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Ouch! A quadruple! What's going on FR??? We being attacked? Anyway, Kerry's bullshiite stories, the inspiration for a lot of Apocalypse Now, turned out to be completely BS. One thing America does not stomach, and will not tolerate, that is a phony war hero. Are you listening Obama???? When we have a candidate that goes after Obama, he's not going to be able to find a rock thick enough to hide under. Making Seal Team 6 and support wait on the tarmac for more than 18 hours to get the "go" is Obama's idea of heroism???
16 posted on 12/11/2011 10:49:41 AM PST by Dogbert41 (Israel is real:))
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Such negative commentary...how could you DOU THAT!

Anyway, the problem is not that the right wing simply hates Obama, the problem is:

* His administration sold semi-automatic rifles to Mexican drug cartels.

* He ignored Iran when a possible regime change was afoot.

* He instituted Obamacare which Americans are adamantly against.

* He loaned money to green tech companies that were functionally bankrupt.

* He is an apologist against the free market.

* He runs on racial and class division.

This is why he will lose Mr. Douthat, because Americans realize that this is ANTI-AMERICAN.


17 posted on 12/11/2011 11:40:21 AM PST by struggle
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17 comments and nobody pointed out the fact that Obama was only an “instructor,” not a professor.

That professor stuff was just another Obama lie.


18 posted on 12/11/2011 11:47:18 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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What Douhtat misses is that Newt is changing the format of the debates as well - Lincoln-Douglas style debates, no moderator, just a time keeper. 3 hours in duration. To compare that to previous confrontations in earlier debates of a different format is not valid.
19 posted on 12/11/2011 11:48:42 AM PST by Wally_Kalbacken
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To: AndyTheBear
Wow, does the NYT give some big award for cluelessness that this author is gunning for?

Douthat makes the argument that the idea that a masterly performance in the presidential debates -- if that's what will happen if Newt is nominated -- won't necessarily win the elections. That's a point that needs to be made and he made it well.

First of all, John Kerry as a war hero turned out to be a hoax that was to a large extent exposed in the elections. Also Obama as an intellectual was always a hoax, rather he is a professional B.S. artist and graft hungry narcissist.

Sure, but the image supporters have rarely matches reality. There's always deception, illusion, romanticism, falsehood, misperception. That was true of Kerry and Obama, true of Edwards and Gore, true of Bush and Cheney, and it's true of Newt as well.

George W Bush, did serve honorably and is a likable guy, but he did not run or win as a warrior, but as the pick of the Republican establishment because he was not too conservative. If there was any soft soap about him that turned out to be wrong, it was the idea that he was a conservative.

You say that in hindsight, but in 2000, a lot of people here were enthusiastic about Bush as a real conservative, or as the most conservative of possible candidates. There's always "softsoap" about candidates -- about some more than others, admittedly.

Newt is not ahead in polls because he is a professor, but because he is the not-Romney flavor of the month...the Republican nomination is always about getting a conservative vs getting somebody the elites are comfy with.

Newt is ahead in the polls because he's seen as the anti-Romney -- rightly or wrongly, but the Republican nominee will almost always be someone the elites are comfortable with. If the Republican establishment isn't comfortable with Newt, it has more to do with his character and behavior. Based solely on the issues, he could have been the establishment candidate.

NYT = Morons. Plain and simple.

Ross Douthat is the most conservative columnist on the Times. He may not always be right but he deserves more respect than that.

20 posted on 12/11/2011 11:55:10 AM PST by x
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