Posted on 12/03/2011 6:47:57 PM PST by Grig
Comparing and contrasting Newt and Mitt is a real eye-opener. The two men have taken very different paths in their personal and professional lives, and have wildly different personalities. Newt is a dreamer, Mitt a doer. Newt is reckless, Mitt is careful. Newt is famously undisciplined, Mitt is the epitome of self-discipline. Romney is a leader, Newt simply is not–according to those who worked most closely with him. Both men are intelligent, yet have chosen different ways to use their intelligence.
In education, Romney pursued business and law, while Newt chose modern European History. Romney earned his education quickly and entered the private sector, while Newt preferred academia.
Romney went on to a successful career in business, becoming wealthy helping businesses and creating jobs, while Newt made a career in government, becoming wealthy by exploiting his position of power and selling influence. Romney's skills were in high demand in the private sector, while Newt was removed from leadership in the House due to the chaos he created.
In matters of faith, Romney is a life-long member of his church and has a record of many years of service to it. Newt went from Lutheran to Baptist, to Catholic, with some speculation of political motive in making the conversions. I am not aware of service Newt may have given to his church. In their personal lives, they could not be more different. Mitt married his high school sweetheart after 4 years of courtship, and remains happily married. Newt also married his high school sweetheart - his geometry teacher whom he began dating at age 16. He has admitted that there is some truth in the notion that he hates women. He has a turbulent marital history due to selfishness and uncontrolled sexual appetites. While Romney helped Ann through both MS and cancer, Newt divorced Jackie, who had cancer–saying she was ‘not pretty enough or young enough to be a president’s wife–and besides she has cancer’. Newt divorced Marrianne, who was also diagnosed with MS. At the time, he asked Marrianne if she would please tolerate the six year affair with Callista, and remain married to him. She refused. He married Callista in 2000.
In matters of character, the contrast is keen. Romney has no hint of scandal–personal or professional. Newt has rumors of sexual scandals–including the infamous oral sex in a car with his neighbor's wife, while his little daughter was near. Newt also has a history of ethics violations, shady book deals, sham fundraising practices, and inconsistencies about whether he was hired as an ‘historian’ or as a lobbyist.
In the presidential campaign, they have also chosen very different paths. Romney is serious, organized, hardworking and prepared, while Newt has been flying by the seat of his pants. He now finds himself in the running, but unprepared, due to a severe lack of preparation and organization. While Romney has been mostly humble about his long term frontrunner status, Newt proclaimed himself the nominee after less than two weeks at the top of the polls.
There are many other differences--too many to list here. But we easily know enough to determine who is more worthy of support. We should not divorce the way a man lives in his personal life, from his actions in public life. Character is revealed in both professional and personal decisions. Romney has a solid record of being true to his word, family, and stewardships. Newt does not. While both men have significant accomplishments, only one has the background, character, leadership and temperament we need. That person is Mitt Romney.
You are just so kind, I love the attention you give me.
I absolutely beleive some mormons can tell the truth, which Is why I beleive my lds family and my lds friends when they tell me they are required to show proof of income for their 10% “tithe”, that proof usually comes in the form of the W2s.
One of my lds friends actually gets a bill from their bishop every months.
I asked my lds uncle (former bishop) he said technically they can drive, but the cars must be church owned, and it is high discouraged to do so. If permission is granted it is very rarely.
However you did list all the times they can’t drive - just saying.
Bingo!
Hehehe...wrong horse-apple OO...lol !
Do you believe the claim?
I don’t.
Regarding Christmas and Easter hymns [you] SAY:*******Would those hymns be the “praise to the man” (Joseph Smith) And those little scenes of Smith’s birth but no Nativity. And whats an Easter hymn? My uncle sings with the MT Choir, a baritone. at Christmas time there is a fantastic public showing of traditional Christmas music but he will tell they don’t sing them in ward. Which is pretty telling after all, a public front and practiced front....the twain are not the same.
I have to admit that I have been in wards where the singing of Christmas hymns are sparse, but even in the worst they sing something Christmasy on the Sundays around Christmas.
I must live in one of the apostate wards, because we starting singing Christmas hymns in Sacrament meeting last Sunday. Today in Sacrament meeting we sung "Far, Far Away on Judea's Plains" and "The First Noel." In Primary (the Sunday School for kids under 12) we sung "Silent Night" and "Joy to the World." And Rudolph, alas.
And I just checked on next week, and in Sacrament meeting we are singing "Oh, Come, All Ye Faithful" and "With Wondering Awe." Nope, don't see Praise to the Man anywhere in December. But each ward is different, so your mileage may vary.
I've seen that photo of J Smith's birthplace/nativity thing. Cracks me up. Those Utah Mormons are pretty crazy at times. But as far as I know, that single occurrence is the one and only. It is certainly not common.
As for what an Easter Hymn is, it is a hymn that is sung around Easter. We have a few in our hymnals.
For example:
#200 - Christ the Lord Is Risen Today
1. Christ the Lord is ris’n today,
Alleluia!
Sons of men and angels say,
Alleluia!
Raise your joys and triumphs high,
Alleluia!
Sing, ye heav’ns, and earth reply,
Alleluia!
2. Love’s redeeming work is done,
Alleluia!
Fought the fight, the vict’ry won,
Alleluia!
Jesus’ agony is o’er,
Alleluia!
Darkness veils the earth no more,
Alleluia!
3. Lives again our glorious King,
Alleluia!
Where, O death, is now thy sting?
Alleluia!
Once he died our souls to save,
Alleluia!
Where thy victory, O grave?
Alleluia!
Text: Charles Wesley, 1707–1788
Music: Anon., Lyra Davidica, 1708
#199 - He Is Risen!
1. He is risen! He is risen!
Tell it out with joyful voice.
He has burst his three days’ prison;
Let the whole wide earth rejoice.
Death is conquered; man is free.
Christ has won the victory.
2. Come with high and holy hymning;
Chant our Lord’s triumphant lay.
Not one darksome cloud is dimming
Yonder glorious morning ray,
Breaking o’er the purple east,
Symbol of our Easter feast.
3. He is risen! He is risen!
He hath opened heaven’s gate.
We are free from sin’s dark prison,
Risen to a holier state.
And a brighter Easter beam
On our longing eyes shall stream.
Text: Cecil Frances Alexander, 1818–1895
Music: Joachim Neander, 1650–1680
Plus a couple of home-grown ones.
Or is this just another case of the hatred being so strong that it is impossible to accept anything good from a Mormon?
Well, Easter hymns. Ok.
Your ward is different than any I have ever attended and I have visited quite a few.
This constant drum beat charge from mormons is one that I personally grow weary of.
" In the case of Mormonism, the Book - Doctrines and Covenants, one of their prophets says that Jesus Christ only died for the sins of Adam, for everybody else he only shows the "way of salvation". That is, that Christ did not die for anyone else."
TP - Nope, that's not true. Although to be fair, when challenged a quote was provided, but it was not from the Doctrine and Covenants.
Typical obfuscation tee pee. Rather than correctly state the doctrine you toss up a smoke screen. The doctrine was correctly stated, it is reinforced by AoF 3 - "We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression." The facts are that the same effects are recorded by numerous prophets and apostles of lds inc. The second part is also correct given that the doctrine of mormonism splits the concepts into two categories - the general 'salvation' involving removal of adamic sin and the bodily resurrection of all- from the second which is essentially correctly stated as well. The second part refers to exaltation towards godhood where it is made "possible" - see Gospel Principles ch 12. So the statements are correct.
OK, this one might not be a "false statement." It could be that she hasn't looked. But it is in there - even in the Bible.
Baptism for the dead is mentioned as a practice of those who were NOT Christians by Paul. Therefore the real 'false' statement is being made by tee pee.
JS was escaping from jail, after guns were smuggled into him and he killed two people before escaping and then was shot because he refused to stop.
Even more?
What is false about this. History is established - guns WERE smuggled in to smith, and he shot and likely killed two, then was shot while trying to escape out a window. tee pee is not honest on this point.
Maybe not in every mission, but they actually issue cars to some companionships. The missionaries assigned to our ward currently share a car with another companionship. There are mileage restrictions, so I guess that counts as "highly discouraged". On my mission (years and years ago) that mileage restriction was 1,500 miles per month for most of the cars (I don't even drive my own car today that much). Office staff had more miles allowed. I think that out of the 75 or so companionships in our mission there were about 10 cars, plus the three or so for the office staff.
Any bishop requiring a W2 or 1040 is breaking the rules. Likewise on a bill. But I certainly have seen unusual behavior from Bishops (and other church leaders), so I am willing to believe the claim. Please understand, though, that it is not the normal method, and is probably extremely rare. I've lived in nearly a dozen wards as an adult and have never seen it or heard anyone mention it.
But kudos on changing the claim to W2s instead of 1040s. That at least makes a little more sense, since tithing settlement takes place in December and I don't know about you, but I don't do up my 1040s until March or April (and too often mid-April).
you answer: “Dont even try that
you know thats not true”
Do you have a problem with reading comprehension or just like to deliberately take out of context?
I explained the the missionaries DO drive cars, which refutes your claim that they aren’t allowed to.
I then, as an aside, said: “BTW, the Mormon Church always pays up front for everything. No mortages, no loans. “
I was referring to monies spent by the CHURCH.
Yes, the young men and women who plan on going on a mission, start saving for it by age 12. They and their families pay for their missions. It’s a great tool for teaching responsibility.
That was not what I was referring to in my statement about mortgages and loans.
No wonder you post half truths - actually, not even that much.
BTW, I don’t have to do research to know what the church is about. I have learned a little bit in 50 years of membership, but thanks for trying to educate me.
See my post #230
But that is the normal behavior from this crowd. A reasonable person would see that. Unfortunately it appears that I am not dealing with reasonable people here.
What I see is Paul listing several proofs of the Resurrection existing and being universal, and includes the practice of baptism for the dead as an example. Why would Paul use that as an example if it was a false practice?
Appreciate your thoughts on this.
Tadpole Wili8e Mitty broke the Mormon Evanagalistsic rulles whenever he wantede to
They didnt apply to him in his mispent youth...
ASfter all he was the scion of a polygamous Mormon family ...”royalty”
Every couple of weeks A;pha male Big Willie Mitty would send his “complanion” to the Post office while he called a girl back home in the states...
Ann Davies was dating other guys while he was gone and the control freak Williard Mitt Romney seemed to think he owned her...
(There I gave him an excuse for
1. Breaking the rule that says
93. Do not telephone girlfriends.
Plus
Apparantly she visited hin in france a couple of times
I hope he didnt phone her then while she was local...
79. Do not communicate via phone or letter with anyone of the opposite sex living within or near mission boundaries
And...
1. Learn and obey all missionary rules.
2. Keep your thoughts, words, and actions in harmony with the gospel message.
4. Don’t debate or argue.
5. Center your mind on your mission.
34. Plan safe, wholesome, and uplifting activities for preparation day.
35. Stay with your companion during all activities.
60. Never be alone.
75. Never be alone with anyone of the opposite sex.
76. Never associate inappropriately with anyone of the opposite sex
77. Do not flirt.
78. Do not date.
95. Take problems and questions to your mission president.
98. Obey all mission rules.
And Willie Mitty’s “complanion” ???
While he or she seemed to have done this one...
62. Be loyal to your companion.
He or she mihjy jave been too in awe of the dashing dandy Willie mitty to do these ones...
61. Seek advice from your mission president if your companion is “having difficulties”.
63. Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2815826/posts?page=184#184
Thank you svcw for posting these Mormon boy Evangalist rules...
As is usual, the chorus has moved the goalposts.
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Dontcha just hate it when that happens ???
Joey Smith and his successor Mormon “prophets” did that all the time...
No wonder you lot are so confused eh ???
Actually, I asked you to substantiate your claim by listing “a false statement about Mormonism”.
You came close. Partial credit.
Tadpole Post #85: Look into baptism for the dead.
Elsie Post #94: You mean the RITUAL that MORMONs perform in their Temples?
I can NOT find that requirement in ANY of the MORMON scriptures.
Tadpole Post #201: OK, this one might not be a “false statement.” It could be that she hasn’t looked. But it is in there - even in the Bible.
Zilla Post #228: Baptism for the dead is mentioned as a practice of those who were NOT Christians by Paul. Therefore the real ‘false’ statement is being made by tee pee.
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OK guys as we know Joey Smith invented the practice of necro baptism into his Mormon religion because his brother had died without being baptised due to the unchurched state of the Smith family...
lets just post the scripture that current mormons claim explains and excuses the practice of this the ugly blasphemy of mormonism...
from the Christian Bible for the lurkers...
1 Corinthians 15:29
New International Version (©1984)
Now if there is no resurrection, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized for them?
New Living Translation (©2007)
If the dead will not be raised, what point is there in people being baptized for those who are dead? Why do it unless the dead will someday rise again?
English Standard Version (©2001)
Otherwise, what do people mean by being baptized on behalf of the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why are people baptized on their behalf?
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Otherwise, what will those do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
International Standard Version (©2008)
Otherwise, what will those people do who are being baptized because of those who have died? If the dead are not raised at all, why are they being baptized because of them?
Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Otherwise, what shall those do who are baptized for the sake of the dead, if the dead do not live again? Why are they baptized for the sake of the dead?
GOD’S WORD® Translation (©1995)
However, people are baptized because the dead [will come back to life]. What will they do? If the dead can’t come back to life, why do people get baptized as if they can [come back to life]?
King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Else what shall they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
American King James Version
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
American Standard Version
Else what shall they do that are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
Bible in Basic English
Again, what will they do who are given baptism for the dead? if the dead do not come back at all, why are people given baptism for them?
Douay-Rheims Bible
Otherwise what shall they do that are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not again at all? why are they then baptized for them?
Darby Bible Translation
Since what shall the baptised for the dead do if those that are dead rise not at all? why also are they baptised for them?
English Revised Version
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead? If the dead are not raised at all, why then are they baptized for them?
Webster’s Bible Translation
Else what will they do, who are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
Weymouth New Testament
Otherwise what will become of those who got themselves baptized for the dead? If the dead do not rise at all, why are these baptized for them?
World English Bible
Or else what will they do who are baptized for the dead? If the dead aren’t raised at all, why then are they baptized for the dead?
Young’s Literal Translation
Seeing what shall they do who are baptized for the dead, if the dead do not rise at all? why also are they baptized for the dead?
Gotcha. I missed the reference to an earlier post. When you said "name one inaccuracy" you were referring to my "posting false statements about Mormonism." I apologize for missing that.
I actually skipped over these earlier to avoid the risk of piling on to Tennessee.
The Mormons dont recognize Easter...
Nor Christmas...
The only way these can be true statements is if you claim that because (as you say) Mormons recognize a different Christ, therefore the things that they do at Christmas and Easter, which would be indistinguishable from any orthodox Christian recognition/celebration, is not actually recognizing the two holidays. Quite the stretch if you want to dismiss these as not being false statements.
Pole lds DO worship a different christ than the Biblical Christ.
The lds christ is created, the Biblical Christ is Eternal.
The lds christ is not sufficient to save IE after all you can do, the Bible Christ is sufficient by Grace.
The lds christ paid the price in the garden and the Biblical Christ paid the price on the Cross.
The lds christ is the brother of satan, the Biblical Christ is not.
See Pole the lds christ is very different from the Biblical Christ.
At least, then, it would be on the dems. I will not vote for Romney. I think there are a lot of folks out there that believe he would just do the same as Zero with an R instead of a D. No thank you. Do not care for Newt either. I will vote for a conservative. I will vote, even if it is only for the lower part of the ballot.
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