Posted on 11/27/2011 6:51:43 PM PST by TitansAFC
Herman Cain indicated today that he does not agree with Newt Gingrich’s position on immigration.
“The way I would deal with those that are already here, which has been my stated position: empower the states to deal with the illegals that are already here, not some, big, grandiose, national one size fit-all. I believe that the states should be empowered to deal with the illegals that are already here,” Cain said CNN’s State of the Union this morning.
In response to whether that meant the states could allow illegal immigrants to “be put on a path toward legalization and toward citizenship,” Cain answered, “It would be up to the states as long as they did not break the federal law.”
But when Crowley used the word “amnesty,” inquiring if that it meant it would be “okay” if the states granted “some sort of amnesty to those who are already living here,” Cain vehemently denied he supported amnesty.
“I’m not saying that at all,” he said
“Secure the border for real,” Cain continued, speaking about what his plan regarding illegal immigrants is. “Promote the path to citizenship that’s already there, and the path to citizenship that’s already there doesn’t say anything about amnesty. Thirdly, enforce the laws that are already there, but make it easier for companies to be able to enforce the laws. And fourth, empower the states. Don’t give the states any special things to do, just empower them to do within the law what the federal government is not doing.”
He was QUALIFIED for those positions. Before he became the CEO of a Corporation he had to have a deep working knowledge of all the intricacies of the company and the ways in which that company worked. Cain hasn't done his homework on Constitutional law or the duties and powers of the Executive Branch. He wants the job, but he doesn't know how the "company" he wants to run actually works.
He isn't qualified to be the President. He is more than qualified to run a company, provided he knows more about that company than he knows about running the country. We don't need another OJT President. One per century is enough.
I think you raise a good question there. From what I’ve read, the cost of enforcement is incredibly high- and I have no idea how any of the candidates intend to finance their plans. Good point.
Texas joined in thelawsuit defending Arizona’s right to pass and enforce that law.
Well, I am a lawyer, but not a Constitutional lawyer. Most Freepers have a better working knowledge of the Constitution than Hermann Cain. I would bet that you have a better working knowledge of the Constitution than he does.
You don’t like him, don’t vote for him but calling him names is below most FReepers.
What names did I call him? A neophyte? That is hardly calling him names. He is a neophyte when it comes to politics and the Constitution. I would dare say he would admit it if asked.
If calling a neophyte a neophyte is "below most Freepers", then what should we have to say about all the Cain supporters who have called Perry and Gingrich every vile name in the books.
Cain is a neophyte. That is a fact, not a name.
It seems to me, purely in the context of what was in the initial post, that he’s basically saying he supports Arizona and Alabama’s attempts to do what the federal government currently won’t, and then when asked about states who would take the opposite, he’s simply saying, “Like I said, leave it up to the states, but not to the point where they are doing something that is against existing federal law.” If I’m right, I don’t know why he doesn’t just come out and say, “Nope. They can’t turn a blind eye or try to legalize them.”
I’m going to try not to hang on to Cain no matter what like some posters do for, say, Newt or Perry, but I’m hoping to find a way to make this work because Newt, Perry and Romney are so horrible and he seems like the best of the viable rest. :(
If Sheriff Joe is going to endorse Perry, Perry has to be more sound on immigration than we’ve been led to believe.
I can see that Cain’s position is being distorted by the people who report him out of context. Seems like the same thing must be happening to Perry too.
I really hate politics.
Cain is saying the laws currently in effect should be OBEYED. What makes you think that he would not “begin full enforcement of the laws on Jan 21, 2012”?
Sounds to me like whoever he appointed as Attorney General would be a heckuva lot better than Eric Holder, since Cain recognizes Eric Holder as a big, big problem and wants the states to be able to hold the feds accountable to the rule of law.
Sounds like he understands the whole idea of “absolute power corrupts absolutely” - and believes that no President should be able to control law enforcement with nobody to hold them accountable between elections. If we the people are screwed by the feds we at least have the states to hold the feds to the law.
IOW, he sounds like my kinda guy.
Whatever.
He's not going to be the nominee. He might take enough votes away to hand the nomination to Romney, but he ain't gonna be the nominee.
Once again, the reporter has taken the least clear part of Cain’s statements and run with that, rather than including the whole context so that Cain’s point would be clear. The better headline to summarize what Cain actually said is, “Cain Wants Current Immigration Law Obeyed - by Feds and States”.
He’s not saying that states should be able to make up their own policy. He’s saying that the feds should enforce the current laws (which DON’T include amnesty), but if they won’t, then the states should be able to do so, as a check to keep the feds under the rule of law. He’s saying that the border should be closed and the process for LEGAL immigration be made more streamlined so people have a real and practical means to come here LEGALLY, and to become American citizens the right way.
nobody who read it can make sense of it.. he’s for letting the states decide about citizenship for illegals but they can’t break federal law?.. what the hell does that mean especially if they tell him to pound sand about them being empowered by the federal government?
fact is some people are going to get to stay(call it anything you want) and making some exceptions(like grandparents raising their American grandchildren for one example) with conditions (like no citizenship or voting rights) will make it much easier politically to start fixing the problem with the others .. ie: securing the border and deportation
Sigh. He said the government should not be involved in deciding whether a woman who was raped should raise that child as her own.
I really, really hate politics.
I’ve seen quite a few people here who have obviously read it and seem to make the same sense of it as I do. He wants the feds and the states to enforce the current laws. He wants it easier for employers to enforce existing laws. He wants the borders closed. He wants the LEGAL path to citizenship (that is, legal immigration and naturalization) streamlined and promoted. It’s really not that difficult.
Right now we don’t have amnesty. What we have is immigration law that isn’t supported by the current DOJ. So - as with anything they don’t like (can you say DOMA?) this administration just refuses to enforce the law, ties the hands and feet of anybody who will enforce the law, and does everything in their power to change the law to what they want it to be.
The laws on the books right now say that illegals are to be deported. It’s not being enforced. The question the presidential candidates are being asked is whether they support the current laws as written, the current laws but not have them enforced (the status quo right now), or a change in the laws to allow amnesty. Cain’s answer is clear: he supports enforcement of the current laws, with states able to hold the feds in check if the feds fail to obey the laws.
Somebody should clue Cain in that the US Constitution requires the federal government to protect the states from invasion.
Millions of people pouring into our states illegally is an invasion.
Lying or deliberately ignorant?
Newt recognizes that CLOSING the border is step one - stop the flow - and that protecting our borders is one of the FEW actions allowed - per the Constitution - by the Federal Gov’t
First you stop the ‘incoming’ then you implement the rest = as he has spelled out in minute detail.
Anyone with any sense knows you cannot deport 12-14 million people.
Newt has spelled out those he would allow to stay: those who have been here for decades, support themselves and their families, not on welfare, etc
BUT
they would be kept track of - they aren’t now - they would NOT GET citizenship and they could NOT VOTE.
all recent immigrants, any with criminal background, gang members, etc - get a RAPID trip back to Mexico - no “catch and release’ which is the current method.
This is just an outline of Newt’s plan.
Give us YOUR candidates plan details - beyond the talking points.
Here's proof:
STEVE KING: Would you oppose amnesty in every form?
CAIN: I would oppose amnesty in every form, because here are the four problems relative to immigration. It's not one, it's four. Let's secure the border for real. Not talk about. Let's enforce the laws already on the books. Thirdly, I happen to believe that we can promote the path to citizenship that's already there. We simply need to clean up much of the bureaucracy that's preventing people from being inspired to come through the front door.
And fourthly, what I would do with those illegal aliens that are already here, empower the states to do what the federal government can't do, hasn't done, and will not do.
The govt. has already succeeded once in giving illegals amnesty with help from Newt. They have tried multiple times since then to pass amnesty. So Cain isn't talking about letting the states do that. What the govt can't seem to do, hasn't done and will not do is what the law requires -- send the illegals back. That is what the federal law requires. That is exactly what Cain plans to allow the states to do with the illegals already here.
You illegal loving traitors can't stand the idea of that ever happening. So you lie. Well you can tell Ricky LaRaza that he can keep his educational payoffs for illegal families. There is someone in this race willing to cut off the illegal's goodies and send them back as the law requires.
The president has a lot of influence over how avidly ICE acts, which is why I would take a statement by a would be President that suggests his ICE might palm the responsibility off on the states as disappointing. I don’t think Cain the mathematician is necessarily that stupid, but that is how it came across. I am not sure how this would be worked to fit a Constitutional framework. Some kind of deputizing, maybe, but I’d want to be darn sure that was limited to specific immigration related duties, rather than anointing every small town sheriff with Walter Mitty aspirations to be a Federal jackboot with open ended agenda.
When my son was at DLI the protestant church he went to was led by an Army Chaplain. I’ll tell him and thank you for your service too.
Cindie
Preventing invasion is a role of the federal government. Herman “Federal Reserve” Cain is not to be trusted. He’ll say anything.
I read his quote. Unlike fighting the states like Obama is doing right now, he wants to partner with the states. Instead of the federal govt. bureaucracy making the states wait forever for a resolution to the problem of illegals invading their state, Cain wants to allow the states to deport them.
When the federal govt. refuses to do it’s job, the states should have the ability to defend themselves from invasion as long as they do so aligned with federal statutes. That is what Alabama and Arizona are fighting to be able to do. But now we have Obama’s Attorney General fighting the states to make sure the laws on the books are not enforced by any govt. federal or state.
Allowing the states to carry out the law as well as the federal govt. changes that. The states should not have to wait for the federal bureaucracy to handle the situation when they can just as easily determine whether the people are here illegally or not.
As Cain has said time after time. No special laws for illegals. Enforce the laws already on the books. You have to go to Newt for that “special” kind of amnesty. When the state govts. and federal govt. work together to send the illegals home, we will finally get this problem and our border situation under control.
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