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Italy Is Closer To Collapse Than Anyone Realized, And So Is The World
TBI ^ | 11-27-2011 | Bruce Krasting

Posted on 11/27/2011 2:56:37 PM PST by blam

Italy Is Closer To Collapse Than Anyone Realized, And So Is The World

Bruce Krasting, My Take On Financial Events
Nov. 27, 2011, 1:29 PM

Some stories in European press (La Stampa - Zero Hedge link) suggest that Italy is working on a very big loan package from the IMF. I have no doubt that there are ongoing discussions. There has to be. Either someone puts a finger in the dike or Italy goes tapioca.

That thought is difficult for me to fathom. How could we be so close to the brink? At this point there is zero possibility that Italy can refinance any portion of its $300b of 2012 maturing debt. If there is anyone at the table who still still thinks that Italy can pull off a miracle, they are wrong. I’m certain that the finance guys at the ECB and Italian CB understand this. I repeat, there is a zero chance for a market solution for Italy. Either the ECB (aka Germany) steps in and underwrites the debt with some form of Euro bonds or the IMF (aka the USA) steps in with some very serious money.

I have acknowledged in recent articles that I misread the Italian story. I didn't see this coming at the pace that it has. Italian bond yields more than doubled in a month. I was not alone in this very big misread. I believe it has caught everyone flatfooted. Central bankers and finance officials all over the globe are crapping in their pants.

I think the Italian story is make or break. Either this gets fixed or Italy defaults in less than six months. The default option is not really an option that policy makers would consider. If Italy can’t make it...

(snip)

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: crime; economy; eu; eucrisis; europe; europeanunion; greece; italy; italycrisis; mafia; socialism
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1 posted on 11/27/2011 2:56:37 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Italy Socialism is Closer To Collapse Than Anyone Realized, And So Is Socialism around The World

The free market system is just as it always was. Go barter something.

2 posted on 11/27/2011 3:01:06 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Have Italians been messing with the FR site?


3 posted on 11/27/2011 3:02:53 PM PST by woofie (It takes three villages and a forest of woodland creatures to raise a child in Obamaville)
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To: blam

The US steps in with some serious money?

The only money we have is fiat and we’re printing it as fast as we can in a keyesnian nightmare....

My gut is telling me this won’t stall off until after Christmas....


4 posted on 11/27/2011 3:03:07 PM PST by EBH (God Humbles Nations, Leaders, and Peoples before He uses them for His Purpose)
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To: blam
Either the ECB (aka Germany) steps in and underwrites the debt with some form of Euro bonds or the IMF (aka the USA) steps in with some very serious money.

Swell. Where exactly is that money coming from?

5 posted on 11/27/2011 3:03:58 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: blam

I read that Black Friday sales were up 7%
Surely Happy Days are here again? /s


6 posted on 11/27/2011 3:04:10 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: EBH

Barney Frank and Chris Dodd destroyed the global economy. One flipping regulation is all it took.


7 posted on 11/27/2011 3:06:07 PM PST by EQAndyBuzz (To fix government, we need a rocket scientist. Oh, wait we have one!)
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To: blam

The IMF... I mean the USA... is also broke. I guess that doesn’t matter any more?

They want to keep propping up failed socialist countries until we all fall down together??


8 posted on 11/27/2011 3:07:21 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: mylife
I read that Black Friday sales were up 7% Surely Happy Days are here again? /s

I'm not sure that 7% even keeps up with the real rate of inflation.

9 posted on 11/27/2011 3:11:51 PM PST by PapaBear3625 (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

>>Swell. Where exactly is that money coming from?

The same place as all of our money: from the imagination of the Federal Reserve System. They’ll conjure it up out of thin air, and then loan it to the US government at a “fair” interest rate so the government can give it away.


10 posted on 11/27/2011 3:12:32 PM PST by Bryanw92 (The solution to fix Congress: Nuke em from orbit. It's the only way to be sure!)
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To: blam

See my tag line.


11 posted on 11/27/2011 3:14:13 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
One flipping regulation is all it took.

And the housing bubble began, then went POP.
Grabbing the popcorn, while the house looses value,
unthought of.

12 posted on 11/27/2011 3:15:11 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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To: RoosterRedux

Socialism r US!

All the dominos are in a circle.


13 posted on 11/27/2011 3:15:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: RoosterRedux
Socialism is Closer To Collapse Than Anyone Realized, And So Is Socialism around The World

And yet Obama continues to drag us in that direction.

14 posted on 11/27/2011 3:16:06 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Obama is the least qualified guy in whatever room he walks into.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine
>> "It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!" <<

Is this the kind of end you mean?

15 posted on 11/27/2011 3:26:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: woofie
Have Italians been messing with the FR site?

Italians off!

16 posted on 11/27/2011 3:26:27 PM PST by Principled
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To: no-to-illegals
And the housing bubble began, then went POP.

Up next, student loans.

17 posted on 11/27/2011 3:29:41 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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Would pay real money to see the student was loaned pop my popcorn. Dang student sleeps all day. Them student loans are worthless. May have to hire a grandchild. Cannot afford a maid.


18 posted on 11/27/2011 3:32:59 PM PST by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen. --> AmeriCain)
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To: blam
I repeat, there is a zero chance for a market solution for Italy.

How will this affect the unions at Chrysler? Will we have another round with the auto industry?

19 posted on 11/27/2011 3:34:47 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: editor-surveyor

Or this kind...
http://endofworld.net/

(warning: bad language)


20 posted on 11/27/2011 3:47:51 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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