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Expert unease over deadly flu virus 'created' in Dutch laboratory(biological WMD?)
Dutch News ^ | 11/25/11

Posted on 11/26/2011 4:57:11 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: DBrow

Influenza “A” has, IIRC, eight genes that encode ten proteins. About 200K BP - not a terribly sophisticated virus. Yet, it has killed more people than just about any other virus.

Understanding the molecular basis of virulence is critical. The virus has mutated beyond the ability of the M2 ion channel anti-virals (amantadine) to work.

The problem is that this science, like any other, is a double-edged sword. With modern gene sequencers, it is getting easier to construct custom-built viruses.

It’s a Brave New World, folks.


61 posted on 11/26/2011 7:15:45 PM PST by SargeK
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To: chris37

These amoral “smart” people filling up the West’s academic ranks are so dang clever.


62 posted on 11/26/2011 7:28:25 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: Farmer Dean
What were they thinking?Why would anyone want to create a killer virus like this?

Indeed. Why? Why create such a thing?

63 posted on 11/26/2011 7:45:21 PM PST by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: JakeS

Yes, I’m involved in risk management and the mantra among the experts is that a pandemic is overdue. I’d be interested to know how “often fatal” is defined? 5%, 35%, 85%? Are the elderly and children most vulnerable? This would certainly be a boon to the pension system if the pensioners and those close to retirement age die off. In Europe, this would also hasten the ascendency of Islam as the older natives die.


64 posted on 11/26/2011 8:01:14 PM PST by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: Tzar
that'd do it...
66 posted on 11/26/2011 9:14:03 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Alas Babylon!

That’s silly. A disease that kills in 5 minutes is self containing.


67 posted on 11/27/2011 1:47:45 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: momtothree
A couple of points to ponder.

1. Georgia Guidestones. This is the published '10 commandments' of the enemy.

Commandment number One: Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

Commandment Two: Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.

The current world population is said to be 7 Trillion. Getting down to 500 million PLANET WIDE will not happen naturally.

2. Why would any rational person(s) exhume frozen soldiers from WWI who died from a deadly influenza strain? They giddily declared a few years later they had sequenced the DNA...

Of course the cover story was that they wanted to keep 'terrorists' from doing the same.

How would 'terrorists' know where 90 year old viable-tissue frozen corpses were interred? That is the domain of governments and substantial resources.

Releasing deadly virii on whole populations while innoculating the elite makes total sense from a godless point of view. If one believes in an accidental universe and 'survival of the fittest,' why not?

The fittest survive and the weak are eliminated. No single government can be blamed, because how do you prove who released the virus in an airport or subway or sports arena?

Plenty of people can't wrap their minds around evil this bold. Simple historical precedent should be sufficient.

68 posted on 11/27/2011 9:07:02 PM PST by JOAT
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To: nkycincinnatikid

Dutch newspaper, how many hear read Dutch /s

I am actually guilty of not reading complete article
This time i did


69 posted on 11/27/2011 9:54:40 PM PST by Nailbiter
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To: TigerLikesRooster
the work was carried out on behalf of the National Institutes of Health in the US
WTF?

We need a revolution, and we need it now.

70 posted on 11/28/2011 8:55:50 AM PST by samtheman
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To: TigerLikesRooster

I am quite sure that Russia and China both have weaponized strains of H5N1.


71 posted on 11/28/2011 9:02:56 AM PST by Thunder90 (Fighting for truth and the American way... http://citizensfortruthandtheamericanway.blogspot.com/)
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To: Jack Hammer
Shades of Twelve Monkeys; could be the beginning of the end.

My first thought exactly.


72 posted on 11/28/2011 9:14:04 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: TigerLikesRooster; 3D-JOY; abner; Abundy; AGreatPer; Albion Wilde; AliVeritas; alisasny; ...
The paper says American experts are worried detailed information could fall into the wrong hands and that terrorists could recreate the virus as a weapon. The fears are notable because the work was carried out on behalf of the National Institutes of Health in the US.

So we were in charge of this idiocy? Way to go!

PING!

73 posted on 11/28/2011 10:19:41 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: decimon

Have you read this? I missed it here but saw it on Drudge.


74 posted on 12/06/2011 7:37:15 AM PST by Silentgypsy (If this creature is not stopped it could make its way to Novosibirsk!)
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To: Silentgypsy
Have you read this? I missed it here but saw it on Drudge.

Yeah, I saw it. Don't know what to make of it, though.

75 posted on 12/06/2011 8:25:17 AM PST by decimon
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To: TigerLikesRooster; nickcarraway; neverdem; ProtectOurFreedom; Mother Abigail; EBH; vetvetdoug; ...
The new bird flu is already loose in the world:

Mix of Pathogens Caused Mystery Illness in Cambodia, Doctors Say

76 posted on 07/11/2012 3:29:26 AM PDT by ex-Texan (The Time to "Wake Up" is Over !)
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To: GiovannaNicoletta; All
Commenters on the article at DutchNews report the following (veracity unsubstantiated, though):

  1. The purpose in the experiment was to determine the probability of such a transition taking place under natural circumstances. Many do not realize that Nature is constantly carrying out such experiments. Eventually, the combination will take place without the involvement of science.
  2. Relax guys, the Dutch and Japanese were studing if H1N1 COULD go super virulent. The only sure way to do this is to engineer a virus that does. Now if the virus does go this path, we can already have a cure to stop it.

77 posted on 07/11/2012 6:49:44 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Farmer Dean

... At issue are gain-of-function studies, in which researchers use several techniques to give viruses characteristics that they don’t have in nature, such as the ability to infect new species or transmit more easily through the air. Such studies are critical to understanding the sometimes subtle changes that can make a bird virus a pandemic threat, some scientists argue, and to developing better vaccines and surveillance. But others are skeptical and say that just because scientists can do the experiments doesn’t mean they should.
The dispute went public in late 2011, after Fouchier and virologist Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Wisconsin, Madison, submitted papers on their mammal-transmissible H5N1 viruses to Science and Nature, respectively. A U.S. government panel, the National Science Advisory Board for Biosecurity (NSABB), recommended against publishing complete versions, for fear the details might provide a bioweapon blueprint. Ultimately, a divided NSABB supported full publication, but only after H5N1 researchers had declared a voluntary moratorium on gain-of-function studies and the U.S. government imposed new regulations. .../snip from another thread


78 posted on 03/17/2020 8:18:13 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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