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Expert unease over deadly flu virus 'created' in Dutch laboratory(biological WMD?)
Dutch News ^ | 11/25/11

Posted on 11/26/2011 4:57:11 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster

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To: TigerLikesRooster
The paper says American experts are worried detailed information could fall into the wrong hands and that terrorists could recreate the virus as a weapon. The fears are notable because the work was carried out on behalf of the National Institutes of Health in the US. The research team, led by Ron Fouchier, professor of virology at Erasmus teaching hospital, was able to create a highly infectious variant of the bird flu virus H5N1. H5N1 rarely transfers from animal to human, but if it does, the infection is often fatal.

Sounds like the government may finally have their pandemic.

41 posted on 11/26/2011 5:49:13 PM PST by JakeS (This would be a good time to read John chapter three 1-21)
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To: Farmer Dean; Chode
Like Dr. Ian Malcolm said in Jurassic Park, "Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether they could they didn't stop to think if they should."
42 posted on 11/26/2011 5:55:24 PM PST by Stonewall Jackson (Democrats: "You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.")
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To: JakeS

Now Muslim micro-biologists become security threats by default. DHS would catalog every one of them. Would those in genetic engineering now need a mandatory security clearance to work?


43 posted on 11/26/2011 5:56:08 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: Chode

The next time we hear about this virus in the news there will be a lab building janitor named Mohammed involved.


44 posted on 11/26/2011 5:56:50 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: TigerLikesRooster
Dutch laboratory?

Perhaps they've cooked up the dreaded Matamoros Virus?

Bacon is the vaccine

45 posted on 11/26/2011 5:58:06 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: Stonewall Jackson
damn straight...
46 posted on 11/26/2011 5:58:12 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: SpaceBar
i so hope you're wrong...
47 posted on 11/26/2011 5:59:04 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Farmer Dean; All

“Why would anyone want to create a killer virus like this? “

That’s how you study a virus. You make little changes in the structure and see what the morphology, or topography, has to do with infectiousness, transmissibility, and whether there can be a single influenza vaccine that would work for all variants.

btw the article says that Japanese researchers have discovered a similar variant, so it’s a good guess that it’s not a secret.

If you look on Ebay for DNA equipment, you’ll find that for $10,000 or so you can have a nifty home DNA lab. I was talking to a Johns Hopkins scientist at a biothreat conference, and apparently the government is quite concerned about amateurs, or people outright hostile, setting up a lab in some apartment somewere.

Look up The White Plague by Herbert, he wrote about a guy who made his own virus at home (and killed millions), and this was back in 1982!


48 posted on 11/26/2011 6:22:42 PM PST by DBrow
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To: momtothree

I was suggesting general possibilities. I don’t know that this specific bug was designed with Agenda 21 in mind. But I do know there are Agenda 21-influenced environmental wingnuts crazy enough to unleash such wholesale death if they could figure out how to protect their own sorry butts.


49 posted on 11/26/2011 6:28:19 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: momtothree
Well then, better be prepared ...


50 posted on 11/26/2011 6:31:17 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: Bernard Marx

You know, Bernard Marx. Nothing would surprise me. Nothing. As long as there was some sort of vaccine for the uber important/politicians... who is to say they wouldn’t. I didn’t use to believe stuff like that.... then I matured. I wasn’t questioning you thinking out loud. I guess I was simply putting a named agenda along with your thoughts. (scary, huh?)


51 posted on 11/26/2011 6:31:53 PM PST by momtothree
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To: TigerLikesRooster

HUMMMM, seems Fouchier has his hands in a lot of nasty viruses.

I wonder if he is a psychotic Dr.Jekyll.
Aids
Bird Flu
Now this. I wonder how many more he has in his little cabinet.

Ron Fouchier received a PhD in Medicine from the University of Amsterdam in 1995, for his studies on molecular determinants of HIV-1 phenotype variability at the Department of Clinical Viro-immunology, Sanquin Research. He was a post-doctoral fellow at the Howard Hughes Medical Institute, University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine in Philadelphia, from 1995-1998, where he studied the function of the HIV-1 Vif protein, and nuclear transport of HIV-1 pre-integration complexes. He subsequently joined the Department of Virology at Erasmus MC to start a new group studying the molecular biology of respiratory viruses, in particular influenza A virus.

As a KNAW fellow, he studied influenza virus zoonoses and pathogenicity. Recent achievements of his team include the identification and characterization of several “new” viruses; the human metapneumovirus (hMPV), a human coronavirus (hCoV-NL), the SARS coronavirus (SARS-CoV), and a new influenza A virus subtype (H16). Currently, his research is focused on the evolution and molecular biology of respiratory viruses in humans and animals, with special emphasis on influenza virus zoonoses and pandemics, and hMPV. Ron Fouchier is a member of the “Jonge Akademie” of the KNAW.


52 posted on 11/26/2011 6:45:54 PM PST by marty60
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To: Farmer Dean

To make themselves look like hero’s if they produce the cure?

Typical psychopath MO.
Psychopath

A psychopath is a person who is having appealing qualities, gain the trust of individuals; they exude confidence, with a good education and some with elevated IQs and tend to hold jobs. All their charms are a pretense, and known as “the mask of sanity” according to Hervey Cleckley. Sometimes, even family members or partners of a long term relationship are incapable to detect something “wrong” in them. Although not every psychopathic personalities form Hannibal Lecter, the ones who commit crime appears to be well organized with contingency plans in place to tackle problems. The aetiology is thought to be due to underdevelopment of the parts in the brain answerable for impulse control and emotions.


53 posted on 11/26/2011 6:49:59 PM PST by marty60
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For those who didn’t read the entire article, here is the apparent reason why this was done although it isn’t clear who asked for it to be done: “Fouchier was asked to find out if H5N1 could lead to a pandemic and was able to show that a couple of mutations in the virus dna changed it into an extremely virulent form.”


54 posted on 11/26/2011 6:52:40 PM PST by John W (Natural-born US citizen since 1955)
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To: marty60
I think he is doing 'sexy' cutting-edge research of his field. I am sure their objective is to further our understanding of the said germs and viruses and finding ways to cure disease and improve our health. However, this is getting really tricky. To understand deadly germs, you have to play with them. Byproduct from such research can be deadly in its own right or worse than the ones they try to cure. If it is released to the general environment, the damage would be in biblical proportion, worse than nuclear explosion.

I have been always leery of bioengineering. It has such a potential to go wrong and unleash catastrophe. The risk easily tops any man-made catastrophe we have experienced so far in human history.

55 posted on 11/26/2011 6:57:10 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: momtothree
Despite all their high-flown rhetoric, most "Greens" care only about themselves. They are immature, totally selfish, ethically amoral and narcissistic. Our President is a perfect example. He really believes all the Marxist bilge he was spoon-fed from birth. Greens are dedicated to creating an Earthly Paradise by exerting control over others. That "control" can take many forms, some fatal to the person being controlled.

I agree that Agenda 21 is a very clear "recipe" for the future that George Orwell had nightmares about.

56 posted on 11/26/2011 6:59:24 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What makes it really disturbing now is that we live in the age of global travel. People travel long-distance in great numbers everyday. This would enable the virus to spread very fast to all parts of the world.


57 posted on 11/26/2011 7:02:59 PM PST by TigerLikesRooster (The way to crush the bourgeois is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

WELL SAID. and so true.


58 posted on 11/26/2011 7:03:44 PM PST by marty60
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To: B.O. Plenty; TigerLikesRooster

This experiment proved that H5N1 can be weaponized.

China has had an active bio-weapon labs in Guangdong. They have too many people. Their economy is crashing. They need to get rid of a lot of their own restless peasants and want supremacy over other regions...


59 posted on 11/26/2011 7:04:44 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: John W

Yes I read it. My question is WHY did “they” need to create this virus to find out how to cure it.

There is a giant info gap here. Would like to know the who, what, why and when. After the giant Global Warming Fraud, all scientist need to be completely transparent. And just WHO would actually release the info on the creation of this virus?


60 posted on 11/26/2011 7:08:48 PM PST by marty60
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