Posted on 11/26/2011 8:38:29 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion
WASHINGTON — Newt Gingrich isn’t backing off his “humane” immigration stance despite complaints from Republican hardliners and fellow Presidential hopefuls — he’s embellishing it.
The former House speaker issued “10 Steps to a Legal Nation” this week, expanding on his remarks during Tuesday’s GOP debate
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Those guilty only of sneaking into the U.S. would have a path “to legality, but not citizenship” similar to the existing naturalization process, plus a penalty fee of at least $5,000.
(Excerpt) Read more at nydailynews.com ...
He is a businessman, a very successful one at that. THAT is what we need right now. Someone to get us out of this mess who is not “in”.
If he is not on my ballot, I will be writing him in. I must vote my conscience. I will deal with the consequences later....if any.
Why are Republicans so prone to putting their foot in their mouth... And then shooting themselves in the foot? He was practically a shoo-in.
Amen to what you said—every word of it. :)
In Newt’s case it was probably ego. He had a front row seat to Perry’s disastrous tilt w the ‘you have no heart’/illegal aliens meltdown; he saw exactly how it played out. But you can almost hear him thinking, ‘I’m smarter than Rick. I can finesse this issue, and turn it into a plus’.
Iow, some people’s faith in their own superiority knows no bounds. Newt is a classic narcissist. No one w a normal ego would, for example, cite as a partial explanation for common, ugly infidelity their ‘passion for the country’. An ordinary human says, ‘I yielded to desire for a woman who was not my wife. I.e.: I did wrong.’.
Newt, by contrast, invokes patriotism to explain infidelity. That right there is narcissism, I don’t care who you are.
You can look up the rules of grammar, and you will find that ironies and peculiarities go in quotes. I know what I wrote and what I intended.
That said, I do think it is a fair summary of what Cain said. Otherwise, the Hill wouldn’t have had their title read: ““Cain: Abortion should be illegal, but families will decide whether to break the law in ‘heat of the moment’”
This is what Cain said and there’s really no other way to interpret it:
“”It would be an illegal abortion. Look, abortion should not be legal — that is clear — but if that family made a decision to break the law, that’s their decision,” Cain said.” He went on to add: “take the typical family in this country, and you don’t know what they might do in the heat of the moment.”
Break the law.
Their decision.
Heat of the moment.
“Weird Position” Fantasywriter, and if you call yourself a conservative, then pro-life has to be your major concern, because Life is a right and not an issue.
Marlowe, despite what Fantasywriter just wrote, a true pro-life conservative will read Cain’s refusal to sign the SBA pledge, and then when pressed he flip-flopped and signed it. Then read his pro-choice words complete with advice to families to do something illegal in the heat of the moment, then his denial, then his repeating a pro-choice position, and then another denial, and then a bunch of flurry, and then a huffy statement that he is pro-life.
Read all that and say to yourself, “You betcha, this is one solid pro-life conservative.”
If that tastes sour in your mouth, then you know why. Cain is not a reliable pro-life candidate.
His gut reaction was to go pro-choice. Don’t let fantasywriter influence you.
He didn’t say what you said he did. In fact, he said abortion should not be legal. Why is that hard to understand? People break the law all the time. Does that make somebody else responsible for what they do? If I say, ‘It should not be legal to shoot out somebody’ tires. But if a person gets angry enough, they just might do it’ - does that make me in favor of people shooting out other people’s tires??? [And no, before you legalistically pounce, I’m not comparing babies and tires. I’m using an illustration to point out that Cain is against abortion, but he can’t stop each and every person in the country from breaking the law if they so choose.]
He didn’t say that. He said it was their choice. Then he brought up doing something illegal in the heat of the moment as a solution.
He planted the idea.
It’s like saying, “We don’t have any money. If someone were to break the law and rob a store....”
No one told anyone to rob a store...or did they?
I have never in my life seen anybody twist another person’s words the way you do to Cain. I am speechless. There’s no reasoning w you. You are going to take anything he says and twist it into something pro-abortion. It’s...repugnant.
It’s probably a waste of time, but fwiw, Cain did NOT encourage abortion. He said it should be illegal. But even if it was illegal, he conceded some might break the law. Somehow you see evil in that simple truism. It gives me the creeps; it honestly does.
Read again the above italicized title of the article by The Hill.
Rick Santorum, a strong pro-life advocate, and deep philosophical advocate of life wrote of Cain: ""Herman Cain said that he believes life begins at conception, but that it's up to the individual to decide whether or not to terminate that life," Santorum, the former Pennsylvania senator, said in a statement. "And I find it gravely troubling that Herman believes it's a life, but that he doesn't consider it a life worth fighting for."
"You cannot be both personally against abortion while condoning it – you can't have it both ways. We must defend the defenseless, period," Santorum concluded."
Michelle Bachmann said of Cain's comments: "You can't have all of these flip-flops in our nominee, one after another," the Minnesota congresswoman said on "Fox News Sunday." "It's making the voters' heads spin. I think it's giving people pause and they're asking real questions about what does he believe truly and how would he govern as president of the United States.""
No, you're right. We can't. But, we can drop further.
If you think Romney will somehow make things better, then you are exactly the type of voter that the establishment Republicans here in Washington are hoping for - and believe me, I have heard some of them speak, openly pining for Romney.
Well, there is such a thing as tough love. It’s hardly the fault of the American people that others chose to come here illegally. Will sending them back to come in the front door cause problems for the families? Yes, but that doesn’t mean they get to get away with breaking our laws. If a parent commits a crime it does affect the family. We don’t say, “Well, okay, he robbed that house over there but he has 3 children and a couple of grandchildren so let’s just slap his wrist and send him home.” We’re not talking parking tickets here, this affects every person in the country in one way or another. It’s up to the adults to NOT do illegal things and risk putting their families in jeopardy. Either we’re a nation of laws or we’re not. If people think there’s a flaw in the law then they should work to change it but it shouldn’t be ignored, stretched, bent or otherwise altered on a whim or because enforcement is “too hard.”
Cindie
“The only point I was trying to make: a lot of families would be in that position, and they’re not going to be thinking ‘Well, what does the government want me to do?’ “ Cain said. “My position is no abortion, but all I was trying to point out was: take the typical family in this country, and you don’t know what they might do in the heat of the moment.”
In the heat of the moment people break the law all the time. Some kill their spouses. Some shoot coworkers, or the boss. If I say, ‘In the heat of the moment a person may break the law’, does that make me in favor of breaking the law???
Honestly, xzins, this is too much. Cain is against abortion. He thinks it should be illegal. That is his position. Since you are arguing the opposite, what about this: if he’s said he is pro-choice, would you argue is his pro-life? It would make at least as much sense.
Does Newt Gingrich’s 10-point ‘humane’ immigration policy make you more likely to vote for him?
Yes, finally a Republican candidate who is fair to immigrants 58%
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Im an immigrant and Newts plan for illegal aliens is not one bit fair to me or the millions of others who came to the US the right way AKA legally..
Its a slap in the face...
If he said he was pro-choice, AND he made an interview full of statement that were pro-life, then, if I were a pro-choicer, which I am not, then I would worry if he really were pro-choice.
In his case, he claims to be pro-life, and he had an interview full of statements that were pro-choice, then, pro-lifers everywhere worried if he really is pro-life.
I worry if he really is pro-life, and that is a strike against him.
Plus, everyone acknowledges he doesn’t have a clue about foreign policy.
He never gave an interview that was ‘full of pro-choice statements’. That never happened. Is there no untruth too great for you to tell about Cain?
Yes, he did. Read the interview or admit that you don’t know a pro-choice position when you hear it.
Some of his words were twisted by people like you into supposedly pro-choice comments. He clarified what he meant—see the quote I included above. There were no pro-choice comments per se. Just phrases that people have misrepresented. You’ve done your share on this thread. It’s dishonest and in a better age people would have been embarrassed to tarnish a good pro-life man like Cain the way a teeny, tiny, thankfully miniscule minority on FR have done.
Life isn't fair, Nana.
By the grace of God you are here.
Because you are an immigrant, I will respect your opinion and feelings on this subject.
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