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Guns Better Investment Than Gold? ("...when poets buy guns, tourist season is over.")
The American Interest ^ | November 25, 2011 | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 11/25/2011 9:33:13 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

At least someone is making money in these difficult times. Arms dealers in Lebanon’s Bekaa Valley are making out like, well, bandits as unrest in Syria sends black market gun prices through the roof says this story in Lebanon’s Daily Star. Rocket grenade launchers appear to be the hottest investment grade item, with prices more than sextupling from $400 to $2500 in recent months. Kalashnikovs and M16s are also up sharply, with 75 percent appreciation on the Russian guns and 100 percent on the US model.

Perhaps more investments in Lebanese arms dealer funds could rescue US state and municipal pension funds; those are the kind of returns states like New York, Illinois, California and Rhode Island need to avoid massive service and benefit cuts in the years ahead.

But what this news really means, of course, is that more and more people in Syria and Lebanon are preparing for all out civil war. Religious and ethnic divides half forgotten during the long decades when the dictatorship was secure are now beginning to revive as the Assad clan looks weak.

This is the pattern I saw at work in Yugoslavia and the Caucasus twenty years ago as ethnic groups geared up to butcher their neighbors and drive them from their homes; I will never forget the night a Georgian poet asked me how much guns cost on the Istanbul black market; he was arming himself against what he called the “Abkhazian menace.”

I made a note to myself at that time: when poets buy guns, tourist season is over. They are buying them now in Damascus; something wicked this way comes.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: banglist; firearms; guns; syria
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To: Lancey Howard
"It is a smart idea for people to learn how to pack their own shells, too."

Yes, it's a great idea for SOME people. It's not an activity for everyone. There are some people who definitely shouldn't try skydiving, either.

21 posted on 11/25/2011 10:27:09 PM PST by matthew fuller (I stand with Leroy!)
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To: meadsjn
"Not me though. Guns and ammo are scary stuff."

What's scary about them? Do you have ligyrophobia? A little time (say 4 years) in the Corps of Artillery might cure what ails you.

22 posted on 11/25/2011 10:30:41 PM PST by Batrachian
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To: DarthVader
Mass quantities!!

Did someone call for....me?

23 posted on 11/25/2011 10:40:10 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: gettinolder

24 posted on 11/25/2011 10:59:35 PM PST by maine-iac7 (A prudent man foreseeth the evil,... but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 23:3 KJV)
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To: meadsjn
Not me though. Guns and ammo are scary stuff.

I've just been buying lots of fishing stuff -- bottom rigs and dragnets.

Good luck at keeping them. Someone with a gun will decide they need your fishing gear more than you do.

25 posted on 11/25/2011 11:04:10 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Guns a Better Investment Than Gold?"

A more complete question: "Guns & Ammo a Better Investment Than Gold?"

IMHO, about the same...

But the time to be able to invest in sufficient quantity (for holding inventory at multiple geographical locations) cheaply was 1998 - 2002. AK's for a couple of hundred, the M4 family about half today's costs, 7.62 and .223 for 78 bucks a case of 1000, and gold for 260-285 an oz.

26 posted on 11/25/2011 11:23:26 PM PST by SuperLuminal (Where is another agitator for republicanism like Sam Adams when we need him?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In our “Argentinian” future, I predict that the .22 LR round will be the new dollar bill.

I bought 1000 rounds of .22 LR at Dick's sporting goods Black Friday sale for $30

27 posted on 11/25/2011 11:35:21 PM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: AlaskaErik
Good luck at keeping them. Someone with a gun will decide they need your fishing gear more than you do.

What with all the folks above losing their guns overboard, fishing the bottom seems to be a good way to find a few.

28 posted on 11/25/2011 11:38:33 PM PST by meadsjn
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To: meadsjn
I don't think you need an arsenal of weapons of every style and type, but I do think you need a few weapons for personal protection.
what do you think is a good home protection fire arm>>>/////???
29 posted on 11/25/2011 11:59:14 PM PST by BooBoo1000 ("Think for yourself")
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To: Lancey Howard
I started with a 45Auto. It was an expensive round, so reloading started almost as soon as I had enough brass on hand to make it worthwhile. In time, I upgraded to a Dillon 550. In the 1999/2000 time frame, I would shoot 300 to 400 rds per week. The brass went into a vibratory cleaner. On Sunday evening, I would fire up Matt Drudge on the radio and reload the brass for another week.

In recent years, the component costs have gone way up. Availability has been a problem too. There were weeks when I scoured the shelves looking for boxes of bullets and boxes of primers to restock. Powder was acquired in 8 lb containers and divvied out 1 lb at a time to "working stock". The 38SPL brass was usually good for about 8 reloads before the case mouth becomes "work hardened", then splits. The .357mag nickel plated brass is most likely to split. It's pretty, but I think the dissimilar metals limit the number of reloads.

A vibratory cleaner using ground corn cob and a tablespoon of Dillon brass polish does a fine job. If the brass is really badly caked with dirt, you can start with ground walnut shells as a more abrasive medium. Either way, you want the brass sparkling clean. Any contaminants on the surface may become embedded in the resizing die. That produces lots of ugly, scratched brass. Damaging a $20 to $30 resizing die is a waste of resources.

Always weigh your powder and stay within the suppliers recommendations for loading a cartridge. Bullet type, powder load, primer type, cartridge overall length (COL) should be worked from the minimum load first. Check the limits of your firearm so you don't exceed the manufacturers pressure limits in PSI or CUP (copper units of pressure).

30 posted on 11/25/2011 11:59:57 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: BooBoo1000
That question should fuel a complete thread of opinions. I'm partial to .357mag revolver and 12 gauge shotgun for home protection. A good .22LR is excellent for harvesting rabbits to keep food on your table. Ammo is dirt cheap. If you're fortunate enough to live in deer/elk country, a good .308 bolt action will put those critters on your table.
31 posted on 11/26/2011 12:06:03 AM PST by Myrddin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...when poets buy guns, tourist season is over................Walter R. Mead.

I tell you what...now that there...that's pure poetry.

32 posted on 11/26/2011 12:25:07 AM PST by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: BooBoo1000
I don't think you need an arsenal of weapons of every style and type, but I do think you need a few weapons for personal protection.
what do you think is a good home protection fire arm>>>/////???

I was kidding about fishing for guns. I can hardly catch a trout.

My guns and ammo are scary stuff, depending on which end one would be situated.

A good home protection firearm is the one that is in-hand and loaded.

33 posted on 11/26/2011 12:37:03 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Myrddin

You’re right about that!

More people live close to cows than elk. Some of us are more concerned about harvesting poachers than harvesting deer or elk...


34 posted on 11/26/2011 12:38:56 AM PST by One Name
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In our “Argentinian” future, I predict that the .22 LR round will be the new dollar bill.

Ditto's!

35 posted on 11/26/2011 12:39:48 AM PST by Ron H. (No to Romney, Perry, Gingrich and Huntsmen!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Wow, I didn’t know they made a Single Six with a barrel that long. What is that, 12 inches? I have one I bought in 1964, with the 6 inch barrel, it was originally a convertible, but somewhere during one of my many moves since then I lost the .22 Mag rimfire cylinder. Some day I will send it back to Ruger and have a new cylinder fitted to it.


36 posted on 11/26/2011 12:42:08 AM PST by calex59
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To: mylife
I lost all my guns in an unfortunate canoeing accident.

What a coinicidence, I lost mine in an earthquake while out hiking in the wilderness.

37 posted on 11/26/2011 12:42:58 AM PST by Ron H. (No to Romney, Perry, Gingrich and Huntsmen!)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Sweet!
That one right in the middle looks like my favorite gun, an S&W .357.


38 posted on 11/26/2011 12:44:40 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Monterrosa-24

By the way, it looks like you lean more toward revolvers. Me too, by a mile.
Give me a no-doubt-about-it wheel gun any day.


39 posted on 11/26/2011 12:46:35 AM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Monterrosa-24

Now that I look at it again I am not so sure that is a Ruger, unless you changed grips, I don’t see the Ruger logo on the grip. So, am I right or wrong?


40 posted on 11/26/2011 12:49:36 AM PST by calex59
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