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Bid Exclusion Puzzles Aerospace Firms (Obama is Stalin)
Montreal Gazette ^ | November 23, 2011 | Fran├žois Shalom

Posted on 11/25/2011 1:10:50 PM PST by lbryce

Edited on 11/25/2011 2:09:57 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

An unusual turn of events on a U.S. military procurement contract has lightly side-swiped three of Quebec’s largest aerospace firms.

Wichita-based aircraft maker Hawker Beechcraft Corp. was excluded without explanation last week from a competition to supply 20 AT-6 Texan II light-attack and training planes to the Afghan air force.

Its four main suppliers on the bid to the U.S. air force – which would then turn the aircraft over to the Afghan forces – were all Canadian: Longueuil’s Pratt & Whitney Canada for the PT6A-68D 1,600-horsepower engine, St. Laurent’s CAE Inc. for the crew training, St. Laurent’s CMC Esterline for the flight management system, as well as Burlington, Ont.-based L-3 Wescam, which was to provide daylight sensors, infrared cameras with zoom and various lasers.

The elimination of Hawker Beechcraft apparently makes a winner of the Super Tucano trainer and light-attack aircraft produced by Brazil’s Embraer, the only other bidder for the contract.

Matthew Perra, spokesperson for Pratt & Whitney Canada, said by email that “as with any competition there was some investment made, but this amount is not material to P&W Canada.”

But it does not signify a loss for Pratt & Whitney Canada – it also supplies the same engine for Embraer’s Super Tucano.

Hawker Beechcraft said it was “confounded and troubled” by its unexplained elimination from the bid, and asked the U.S. air force for a formal debriefing to review the reasons for its exclusion from the 20-plane Light Air Support order.


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KEYWORDS: beechcraft; blacklisted; communism; obamaisstalin
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Of all the sordid machinations conjured up by the sinister, mad-cow-disease ravaged brains that characterize the demented left wing, liberal mindset, the most heinously cynical blood-libel of them all, was the Bush is Hitler mantra, that was spread across the political landscape like fresh manure on roaming farmland, to take up a most metastasizing life of its very own. This infamous,utterly obscene incantation spawned within the mendacious cesspool that is the Democratic party and its ilk, was kept alive, upfront, never for a moment allowed to fade from the political consciousness by the left wing lapdogs and their all-too-enthusiastic-revisionist-facilitator, the fourth estate as fifth column that is the MSM.

I have no illusions regarding the sisyphean task of having Obama is Stalin ever to achieve any sort of traction at all, as grass root phenomena but at least I have the fulfillment of making some sort of political statement of my own in the utter pulsating vehemence I have towards the none-too-soon-evicted occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

1 posted on 11/25/2011 1:11:01 PM PST by lbryce
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To: lbryce

One possible reason is that the contract request ready to use aircraft, not models still under development. The AT-6 is still under development. This whole contract process was started last year when the military had already started training pilots in the Super T to meet animmediate need in Afghanistan. Instead of deploying pilots and aircraft to meet that need last year, the Kansas congressional contingent insisted on a bidding process to allow Hawker Beechcraft to compete.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 1:17:07 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: lbryce
Hawker Beechcraft was eliminated in favor of a Brazilian manufacturer? Wow. And the Keystone pipeline was nixed, meanwhile Obama bankrolls Brazilian explorations and says "we will be your best customer".

Goodbye North Dakota and Kansas, hello Rio. Obama has a funny way of focusing on jobs in the US.

3 posted on 11/25/2011 1:18:25 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: lbryce
0bama doesn't like Bill Boisture's attitude so we all will pay for it.

It's the right of a tyrant to act this way.

4 posted on 11/25/2011 1:19:03 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Soros is invested in Embraer.


5 posted on 11/25/2011 1:21:35 PM PST by Melchior
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To: Melchior

“Soros is invested in Embraer.”

Things that make you go “hmmmmm”;)


6 posted on 11/25/2011 1:25:05 PM PST by Frank_2001
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To: lbryce
Of all the sordid machinations conjured up by the sinister, mad-cow-disease ravaged brains that characterize the demented left wing, liberal mindset, the most heinously cynical blood-libel of them all, was the Bush is Hitler mantra, that was spread across the political landscape like fresh manure on roaming farmland, to take up a most metastasizing life of its very own. This infamous,utterly obscene incantation spawned within the mendacious cesspool that is the Democratic party and its ilk, was kept alive, upfront, never for a moment allowed to fade from the political consciousness by the left wing lapdogs and their all-too-enthusiastic-revisionist-facilitator, the fourth estate as fifth column that is the MSM.

I have no illusions regarding the sisyphean task of having Obama is Stalin ever to achieve any sort of traction at all, as grass root phenomena but at least I have the fulfillment of making some sort of political statement of my own in the utter pulsating vehemence I have towards the none-too-soon-evicted occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Code Purple Metaphor Overload!

Actually, good writing. Some simile action in there too.

7 posted on 11/25/2011 1:28:49 PM PST by Steely Tom (Obama goes on long after the thrill of Obama is gone)
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To: Melchior

They’re being pretty blatant about it, aren’t they?


8 posted on 11/25/2011 1:29:09 PM PST by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, or the jobs that go with it.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
They’re being pretty blatant about it, aren’t they?

They can get away with it because the 90% of the sheeple who think the MSM actually covers the news will never find out.

9 posted on 11/25/2011 1:33:49 PM PST by buccaneer81 (ECOMCON)
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To: EGPWS

“It is good to be the king.”


10 posted on 11/25/2011 1:35:19 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: USNBandit

The only surprise here is that the military actually got the plane it wanted.


11 posted on 11/25/2011 1:35:42 PM PST by SeaHawkFan
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To: lbryce

Welcome to the new world order


12 posted on 11/25/2011 1:38:51 PM PST by winodog
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To: SeaHawkFan

-——the military actually got the plane it wanted-——

and more importantly, when it will be needed. The boys in Kansas apparently do not have a plane with which to fulfill the contract. Time is of the essence


13 posted on 11/25/2011 1:43:37 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: Steely Tom
Code Purple Metaphor Overload! :-)

Yes, true. (In the style of writing in which I am wont to express myself, have too many times been castigated for, I was inclined to respond with quite true, but then realized I would once again bring out the consummate grammarian in you (as I myself strive to be) but thankfully correcting it in time. I would have cleaned it up as I usually do but had to attend to matters requiring my immediate attention.

Anyway, your kind words are most appreciated.

14 posted on 11/25/2011 1:50:46 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:The bastard offspring of Satan and Medusa.)
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To: SeaHawkFan
The Super-T is going to be assembled from kits, in Florida. The last time I talked to somebody in this program they were using a FLIR product from Oregon.

Hawker Beech was using several companies from Canada, including Wescam for their camera.

15 posted on 11/25/2011 1:54:42 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: Melchior

That was my suspicion too. Do you have any links?


16 posted on 11/25/2011 1:59:07 PM PST by Old Flat Toad (Pima County, home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
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To: lbryce
I have no illusions regarding the sisyphean task of having Obama is Stalin ever to achieve any sort of traction at all, as grass root phenomena but at least I have the fulfillment of making some sort of political statement of my own in the utter pulsating vehemence I have towards the none-too-soon-evicted occupant at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Make the Bum Obama's next term a PRISON Term..

17 posted on 11/25/2011 2:00:40 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: lbryce

What is with him and Brazil anyway? Maybe that’s where he was born and they are holding on to the real birth certificate.


18 posted on 11/25/2011 3:08:34 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: lbryce
Hawker-Beechcraft should have read the contract requirement

Line 1:

“BACKGROUND AND REQUIREMENTS: LAS aircraft must be a non-developmental item (NDI) that is production-ready. No development or testing funds are available. ” Introduction of LAS Solicitation FA8615-10-R-6088”

They didn't have a production aircraft then, they don't have one now.

19 posted on 11/25/2011 5:28:55 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (New gets old. Steampunk is always cool)
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Thanks lbryce.
a U.S. military procurement contract has lightly side-swiped three of Quebec's largest aerospace firms. Wichita-based aircraft maker Hawker Beechcraft Corp. was excluded without explanation last week from a competition to supply 20 AT-6 Texan II light-attack and training planes to the Afghan air force... apparently makes a winner of the Super Tucano trainer and light-attack aircraft produced by Brazil's Embraer, the only other bidder for the contract... Pratt & Whitney Canada ... also supplies the same engine for Embraer's Super Tucano. Hawker Beechcraft said it was "confounded and troubled" by its unexplained elimination from the bid, and asked the U.S. air force for a formal debriefing...

20 posted on 11/25/2011 5:49:17 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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