Posted on 11/23/2011 10:32:54 AM PST by TBBT
All he said was, “Let’s be humane in enforcing the law.” That was my reaction last night when Newt Gingrich argued that the federal government should refrain from deporting illegal immigrants who had been in the U.S. for many years if the effect would be the break up of a family.
I did not take him to be proposing a new law conferring amnesty. To do what the former Speaker proposed would require no change in U.S. law. All you’d need is the sensible application of prosecutorial discretion.
A successful immigration enforcement policy, easily implemented under current law, would secure the borders; use the capability we have to track aliens who enter on visas to ensure that they don’t overstay; and target our finite law enforcement resources at (a) illegal immigrants who violate federal or state criminal laws (i.e., other than the laws against illegal entry), and (b) employers who knowingly hire illegal aliens and therefore provide the incentive that induces them to come. (An even better policy would deny illegal immigrants various social welfare benefits, but some of that would involve changes in the law so I put it to the side for present purposes.)
Such a policy would materially reduce the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. — if they can’t work, many will leave and many won’t come in the first place. Such a policy would also call on government lawyers to exercise discretion (as they do in all aspects of law-enforcement) to decide which cases are worth prosecuting. Obviously, if an alien has been here illegally for a number of years but has been essentially law-abiding (again, ignoring the fact that it is illegal for him to reside and work in the U.S.), and if his ...
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Exactly right, but with Newt it never left, not that you didn’t know that.
Last night Newt said that millions of illegals would be sent home and he also said that millions of illegals would stay right here. That is continuing a failed policy. Period!
Newt was around in the 80’s and supported Simpson-Mazzoli which formulated the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. I've posted all this dozens of times over the years on FR. The IRCA 1986 was a failure because Ted Kennedy gutted the funding for tough employer sanctions and enhanced border security provisions that Reagan had demanded. The original 300K grants of amnesty quickly turned into 900K and then 2.7 million. If Reagan was around today, he would oppose our failed immigration policies and more amnesty.
Obviously Newt learned nothing from that experience 25 year ago.
Remember Deuteronomy 28:43?
This is a planned invasion of the U.S. by hostile powers
The stranger that is within thee shall get up above thee very high; and thou shalt come down very low.Leaders that don't know their scriptures will help this kind of thing alone.
That’s what their translators and lawyers say every time.
If prevailing minimum wage were applied to crops, you certainly WOULD get runaway inflation in food.
This article is from 11/9/11, talking about how apples are rotting on the trees because the season was late and the illegals moved on to other crops, and the locals who are unemployed dont want to work for those wages. Crops are usually paid piece-meal, which means you get paid for exactly how much you pick. This flys in the face of minimum wage, which values time, not productivity. The wages would more than double ... they would be an order of magnitude higher, than what is presently paid, and yes, that increase in cost is the baseline of which downstream services are multiplied at. The end result is a $10 apple.
Why didn't he apply for amnesty in 1986?
If they can, their golden. Otherwise, they are screwed. Personally, I support the round them up an push them across the border method. Eisenhower did it. Did you hear about what happened in Alabama? The new strict enforcement law has reduced unemployment.
One of Newt's problem with most folks is that he assumes you are as smart and as knowledgeable as he is. This can be a problem for those who are not.
Note: I still support Cain. I am just a little tired of the not my/the perfect candidate made a mistake (according the NY Times, etc.), lets rip them appart on FR, crowd.
To use Newt’s own manner of speak, “Does anyone think that if 12 (really 30) million illegals were allowed to stay here legally without also getting citizenship, some future Congress and/or President (democrat or RINO) will not then pass more legislation giving them full citizenship ‘so that they can fully participate in the country where they live’”?
Gingrich just fired the round that is his suicide note to conservative voters.
Even if he won the nomination, he could not beat Obama because true conservatives, the ones who abhor illegal immigration, climate change hoax, and all the other issues that Gingrich seems comfortable with, will stay home and will most certainly not be out there canvassing and registering voters, manning the phone banks, and all the other electoral tasks that require a motivated party.
Republicans made the same mistake with an amnesty loving McCain, and he got millions of fewer votes than even Bush 2004.
For people like Gingrich, McCain, Bush, Rove, Krauthammer, Will, the Fox pundits, the Wall Street Journal and Chamber of Commerce, who live in million dollar homes in gated communities, illegal immigration is a debating exercise.
In towns and counties where illegal aliens settle, it is a drive-by shooting, a D.U.I. fatality, a drug turf battle, a serial killing sniper, a third-world slum next door, a deteriorating neighborhood, gang terror, unemployed tradesmen.
The Tea Party did not start with the rants of some CNN gadfly named Santelli. It started in 2006-2007 when Bush, Rove, and McCain tried to ram amnesty down the American people’s throats. They melted the Capitol switchboards and servers, and then tossed the Republicans out.
The establishment Republicans like Gingrich are about to throw away a sure win in 2012 by again telling the American people to go to hell, our big donors need that cheap labor so they won’t have to pay you hard-workin Americans fair wages.
Just how can an illegal be ‘law abiding’ while working here as an illegal?
What the media as fifth column operatives for the commie democrat party is trying to do is establish a lie as what Newt said. They floated the talking point phrase 'Newt soiled himself' last night and it is shcoking to see how many posters at FR have repeated that talking point just because they want to stop Newt, without any regard for truth. Disgusting it is. But we must keep to clear refutations, and not fall for the invitiation to treat the Hispanics not here legally as if they're cattle. We must also keep to accuraterefutations.
I'll take my chances on food inflation when people at least have an income to eat.
I don't think you want to use the Deuteronomy to support your position on aliens.
He seems to have missed this part of the Krieble Plan:
The solution would seem much simpler if leaders understood that the vast majority of illegal workers in theU.S. are not here seeking citizenship, or even permanent resident status. They are workers with families to support back home, and they have every intention and desire to return home.
Well, if they all want to go home, according to Newt's Krieble Plan, then what's so difficult about getting them to leave? Hell - pay their way back first class and give them $10,000 cash and the place will clear out overnight according to Krieble.
Who ever claimed that Gingrich was smart? The same ones who call Obama a genius I guess. Newt is history. Looks like Romney will be the last guy standing, with Bachman as his Veep.
Rather than answering the question, News should have just said “we’ve had a problem with this for 25 or more years, and I’m planning on doing something about it”. That non-answer, in this day and age, is much more to the liking of the general populace. Being able to answer a question with a somewhat specific answer can no longer be tolerated. It alienates too many people.
Unfortunately, anything short of the law as written opens the door for all sorts of sob stories. The sobbing grandmother holding a picture of herself much younger in front of a building that can be identified in the U.S. blubbering that this is the only life she knows. Start shading things and it's a recipe for disaster.
We don't need to round them up, we didn't need to round them up to get them in here. Aggressive workplace enforcement, and no hand outs, they'll be back where they came from in a matter of months at very little expense to the U.S. tax payer.
“Why stay home? If Newt’s the nominee and you’re not going to vote for him - go to polls and vote for 0bama. It’s the same thing.”
Honest to God, if I see that one more time...
If you truly believe this, then NOT VOTING for Obama would be a vote for Newt.
This comment is five year old level Banther fodder.
I WILL NOT VOTE FOR ANY REPUBLICAN THAT IS WILLING TO IMPLEMENT THE LEFTIST AGENDA FOR THEM.
A lot of other people think along the same lines. Give us a sound person to back and we will. We are not going to look back eight years from now, and realize we had a hand in installing another lukewarm bucket of horse sweat like Bush.
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