Posted on 11/21/2011 7:47:23 AM PST by count-your-change
Acland quotes another cold fusion researcher at the E-Cat World page:
"“In the last 8 weeks I have been astounded by a superior nanotechnology that will capture the imagination of even the greatest foes of LENR. I believe all of LENR is just a new and unanticipated form of nanomagnetism.”
(Excerpt) Read more at ecatnews.net ...
duhhhhhhhhhh it was AN EXAMPLE duhhhhhhhhhhhh
I don’t see anyhing from the ECat that says anything other than FRUAD yet
After you have studied physics you just look at things differently - I look at this and think I am NOT convinced.
I am sure there is a lot of data to go through, but you can wade though a ton of documentation for everything you see- you would never get any work done- you look at it from an overview, and see if it passes the smell test- then if it does, you look further into the data
I have not seen enough to convince me to look further.
hey Z
you are sadly misinformed.
SPAWAR, the Navy Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command has been doing independent research and has replicated the physics behind Nickel-Hydrogen’s LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reactions) that Rossi mentions as the basis of his invention. They conclusively proved radiation emissions.
I believe, but have not confirmed that SPAWAR is one of the groups who have purchased one of Rossi’s plants.
In addition, Rossi has a US patent application on his invention see here: http://ecatnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/USeCatPatentApplication.pdf
So he has his cards on the table, except for his hole cards, which somehow you think he should show you ...
that’s funny who are you that he should show you his proprietary intellectual property?
Lurking’
What is “FRUAD” and why should we care what you think?
“I have not seen enough to convince me to look further.”
The following are Yes or No answers:
Have you read Rossi’s US patent?
Have you watched SPAWAR’s videos which show radiation from Nickel-Hydrogen?
Do you know what LENR are?
Can you explain why Copper is a result of Nickel-Hydrogen interaction?
If the answer to any of the above is NO then you are a FRAUD (not a FRUAD) yourself.
Lurking’
Hey K
then it was A BAAAAAAAAAD EXAMPLE because Rossi’s unit produces heat not electricity.
Lurking’
No particular reason. In this case, the ceramic would be a part of the beverage container, built-in at time of manufacture. Imagine having mugs that when you pour soda, the beverage self-cools. No ice, no watered-down drink. Or other beverages that stay cool without ice, and self-stir. No batteries or wires to contend with, and can be placed in a dishwasher without harm. I would patent it if I had a working prototype.
Long but interesting read and multiple sources to separate rumor from fact
Believe it or not.
Small quote about SPAWAR
Rossi’s Mystery Customer Performs Disappearing Act, Twice Posted on November 12, 2011
On Nov. 2, John Brandon published a story on Andrea Rossi and his claim of an “energy catalyzer” on Fox News.
Brandon speculated, based on what he read on Sterling Allan’s free energy blog, that U.S. Navy’s Space and Naval Warfare Systems Center San Diego was Rossi’s mysterious customer and that they measured and verified Rossi’s test.
On Nov. 9, I asked James Fallin, the director of public affairs at SPAWAR San Diego, “is there any truth to the suggestion published on Fox News that SPAWAR is, or is considering purchasing any device from Andrea Rossi?”
“No truth at all,” Fallin wrote.
On Nov. 11, Mark Gibbs, writing for Forbes.com, wrote that Craig Brown, who operates the Free Energy Truth Web site, claimed that Rossi’s “first” customer was Austin, Texas, based National Instruments Corp.
Gibbs checked with National Instruments. According to John Pasquarette, Vice President of Corporate Marketing and eBusiness, National Instruments did not purchase a 1 MW cold fusion plant from Rossi.
Sander Olson, a writer for Next Big Future, contacted me yesterday about the SPAWAR rumor.
“After having read your articles on E-CAT and receiving independent confirmation from SPAWAR that they are not taking possession of any device from Rossi,” Olson wrote, “I have decided that he is almost certainly a fraud and [I] will not pursue an interview. I always suspected that he was a fraud and I now find the evidence overwhelming. Thank you for providing assistance in this matter.”
Hi Lx
that doesn’t change the fact that
1) SPAWAR doing their own independent research, positively confirmed radiation from Nickel-Hydrogen LENR. They have several hour long videos describing their research and results.
2)Someone confounded the fact that NI’s instrumented system was being used to control Rossi’s reactors - as flogged to death on other threads - with the possibility that NI had bought Rossi’s units. That does not change the fact that Rossi is using NI’s control systems to control his process as confirmed in multiple places.
3) Just because Sander Olson takes it as fraud - does that mean it is a fraud - hell no. Barak Obama believes in in the 13th Imam is coming - does that mean he is?
4)When Sander Olson applies for his own US patent claiming an opposite effect from Rossi then maybe I would be mildly interested in what he said.
However, Sander Olson is an Historian: “Sander Olson, 33, is Vice President of NanoApex Corp., has a bachelors degree in History, and a Masters degree in the History of Technology and Science.”
Good old Sander is a history buff and I always consult my high school history teacher when I am checking on the validity of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions.
you’re joking right?.
lurking’
In my initial post, I said I can dream, and have lots of ideas. Many technological wonders we have today, were once imagined at a time they were deemed impossible or improbable. Steve Jobs, in a conversation with Maya Lin at a 1983 design conference where they were both speaking, replied to her when she asked why he didn't make a flat-screen computer, that this was his goal but the technology was not there yet. He was imagining the iPad almost thirty years ago when it was thought to be impossible at the time.
So no, my mug would not need a battery. The energy would be provided by other means. Perhaps by capturing electromagnetism energy that is abundant all around us. As an 11-year-old boy, I built crystal radio sets in the early 1960s. I had no problem tuning in radio staions, without any batteries. Was that amazing?
hey Z
your post is funny - you’re joking right about “he has no intellectual property ‘that I know of’”
Just like Rossi I have intellectual property on my working processes that even the clients who use the machines don’t know.
I don’t know what industry you work in, but the point of IP is that you know it and others don’t - that’s the whole idea because if I told you about it - it wouldn’t be my IP anymore.
And as for: “As far as LENR goes, no one knows what is happening in these devices.” That’s bolderdash, just because you don’t understand LENR doesn’t mean no one understands LENR. So as a seagull you need to accept the distinction as fact.
Go here to learn about it: The Science of Low Energy Nuclear Reactions - http://www.amazon.com/Science-Energy-Nuclear-Reaction-Comprehensive/dp/9812706208
So you’re a seagull - accept your limitations.
Lurking’
Z you are hysterically wrong.
Your errors:
“You know that Rossi has Intellectual Property, when he shows you a device that does something,”
I have a device that was first designed in 2004, work has proceeded on and off until today. That is seven years of work and we are still three to six months away from a fully functioning prototype. So are you saying that I cannot claim to have IP because I cannot demonstrate to you a working model? And if my prototype was working do you think I would tell you or anyone else about it?
The amazing and laughable thing is you believe that Rossi is honor bound to demonstrate to “the public” ie little seagull, that his unit operates to little seagull’s satisfaction.
He doesn’t need to prove his claims to you or anyone else in the public domain.
He doesn’t allow it because it would cost him his IP, a point which is evidently lost on you, little seagull.
BTW I never said that I believe Rossi - I did say that you haven’t a clue about IP or how one goes about protecting and maintaining it.
The link was in response to your dis-belief in LENR and that it was not science based. The link was about the science behind LENR and not anything about Rossi’s work.
I forgot that seagull’s can’t read, but have great eyesight so here is a link to the video about the science behind LENR - http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=3B79262131CA1BCF
BTW it has nothing to do with Rossi just LENR.
Lurking’
There is a field of study involving magnetic effects in things which are very small or very thin (as in on the order of a few hundred atoms). See here for a tutorial, or just google nanomagnetism.
“If the answer to any of the above is NO then you are a FRAUD (not a FRUAD) yourself.”
Let’s ask you a few questions, Ms. ItisNotFraud:
1. Where is Rossi’s nuclear license? I am sure in every country he calims to have operated this thing he is required to have such a license to possess, build, operate, or sell such a device.
2. Where is his ITAR paperwork? (Go ahead, google ‘ITAR’, we know you haven’t clue what that is.)
3. Where is his export license from the US State Department? Regualtions require it for export from this country and he states several locations within the US as a business addresses.
1) The is no need for a nuclear license since only SPAWAR has ever documented radiation from LENR and that radiation was stopped by a layer of tin foil. Rossi states that the radiation is transitory and is stopped by a thin layer of lead foil. It logically follows then: no radiation - no need for a radiation license.
2) It is not an Armament under even the most broad classification - it produces hot water and no radiation.
3)You state:”Regualtions (sic) require it for export from this country...” I don't know where you get you info however, he is not making it in the US and exporting it to Italy or anywhere else, nor is he making it in Italy and importing it into the US. He is making it in Italy for use in Italy and making it in the US for use in the US. Why would he need an export license????
A little review:
1) No nuclear license due to no detectable radiation.
2) It produces hot water - how this can be defined as an armament is only in your imagination.
3) When you build it in the country you where you use it - you aren't exporting - therefore don't need “an export license”.
Wow, how long did you think about the response 30 seconds??
Lurking’
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