Are Mormons "Weird"?

Mormon Defense League ^ | August 12, 2011 | Mormon Defense League

[1010RD]

Is this not an effective expose of just how hypocritical and vicious liberals are? Obama’s a Cook County Democrat who has a long history of stooping as low as needed in pursuit of victory.

Whoever his handlers are we should be aware of their strategy and tactics. A tactic once understood is no longer a tactic.

Aren’t you sick of the other side yet? Or are you tolerant of liberal bigotry when it suits you?

[Le Chien Rouge]

Mormons are not weird.

If anyone wants to see ‘weird’, come to Austin,Texas and watch the lefties up close.

This city ran a guy for mayor who wore a tutu.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

What is this “us”, business, Saundra?

Oh, that’s right. You posted this, trolling for a false sense of persecution and injustice. What a sad way to start the day, let alone live.

[Elsie]

The LDS Church is politically neutral, as is MDL.

Obviously; or else Harry Reid would not be such a good MORMON!

[Tennessee Nana]

The LDS Church is politically neutral,
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Politically neutral groups dont punish a candidate for forcing a political and social issue on them...

In 1980 the Mormons voted in a block for Ronald Reagan because in 1978 Jimmy Carter had forced them into changing their racist policies and doctrines against black men...

However those same racist religious doctrines against black women were not changed...

[Pan_Yan]

It would be sad and unfair if this were moved to the religion forum. This is about politics, pure and simple, dirty politics - and a timely discussion at that.

Maybe as several other posters have suggested we need to have this political debate. Why does this pro-Mormon article by an official Mormon publication defend a pro abortion, pro gay marriage liberal candidate?

[Beagle8U]

It is only 4:40 am in California. I agree this thread wont go “her way” by about 7am.

I predict a thunderstorm about then.

[Elsie]

We Mormons have been called a lot worse than "weird" here.

I know; and that TRULY is such a shame!!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses  5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses  8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses  10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

[Saundra Duffy]

“If not, then why does not one Mormon criticize Milt Romney?”

Actually from what I gather there are tons of Mormons who criticize Mitt Romney. I criticize Harry Reid who claims to be a Mormon but I call him a MINO (Mormon In Name Only); I can’t stand him!! I don’t really like Orrin Hatch, although he’s a Mormon, but I think he’s way too polite and nice.

This article is about political dirty tricks and how Obama plans to use the Mormon connection to play with anti Mormon sentiment and have his way with the gullible.

[21twelve]

Agreed on that - but I thought we were talking about the Romney threads. In those, when folks are specifically talking about Romney, it seems that it is more to make fun of him. And things I guess do get off track and into the more general anti-mormonism.

But yes, on the anti-Mormon threads I can see where you feel attacked. As this thread has/will turn into with your all-encompassing title.

[Elsie]

Recently, Politico reported that part of President Obama’s 2012 reelection campaign strategy will be to portray Mitt Romney, a Mormon and possible Republican presidential nominee, as “weird.”

Now we MUST start on the ground floor...

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Here is MORMONism's own creed:

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor,
in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

 

[bert]

so you say and offer no proof of your feeling at all

That is the way liberals argue

[ejonesie22]

Inquiring minds want to know...

Where is the article about Romney's less than stellar record on conservative ideas.

As I have oft been told LDS are the most conservative folks there are. So odd that Mitt Liberal tendencies get a pass...

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Don’t you remember Rick Perry’s pastor friend calling Mormons a “cult” and saying we’re not Christians which is another way of condemning us all to hell along with the Catholics and Jews? He called us more than just plain “weird”.

Jeffers didn't say this during his introduction. The MSM made that connection and apparently YOU like it too! Perry said that Jeffers does not speak for him -- that Mormanism is not a cult.

[1010RD]

So plural/singular is the distinction?

This is a thread about the hypocrisy of Obama and Co. in seeking reelection. Our focus should be on the frightening aspect of a radical anti-American as POTUS.

That it’s turned into a religious thread shows just how effect Obama is. The circular firing squad is now in session.

[Tennessee Nana]

why does not one Mormon criticize Milt Romney?
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Yes wheres the MORMONS FOR CAIN bumperstickers ???

Lets see....

Hes a Christian and a Conservative...and worse, he’s black,

[Saundra Duffy]

“An odd argument posted in defense of the pro gay, pro abortion, author of RomneyCare.”

It is rather “weird” that the anti Mormon/anti Romney crowd are in complete agreement with Obama’s people.

[Elsie]

Blogger Jane Hamsher wrote: “To preach religious tolerance as Obama MLORMONism does, and then engage in this kind of appeal to religious bigotry, is both hypocritical and pernicious, not to mention self-defeating…

Jane must not KNOW that MORMONism is BUILT on this stuff; kinda like various posters of "MORMONism ain't so bad" stuff on FreeRepublic.

[Pan_Yan]

Aren’t you sick of the other side yet? Or are you tolerant of liberal bigotry when it suits you?

The mental gymnastics necessary to come to the conclusion that opposing Romney and his ilk is to side with Obama is not only dishonest it is ludicrous. And in case you haven't noticed the lady doth protest too much. Obama's people aren't attacking Romney ... yet. They WANT him nominated, as do several FReepers, apparently. In that case who's Obama's side, those who support Romney or the rest of us?