Fast and Furious 'scandal' is a Republican red herring: What we really need are tougher gun laws

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS ^ | November 18 2011 | Carolyn Maloney

[TigersEye]

F&F was designed specifically to violate the Civil Rights of Americans. People MUST be held accountable AND the Government MUST relinquish authority over firearms for it. Nothing less will be acceptable.

Great line from a great post. I don't think they realize just how many people are paying very close attention to this or how many more are brought up to speed every day in the hunting/shooting/LE community by friends.

Oath Keeper Sheriff Richard Mack

Listen to what Sheriff Mack says about gun control at the 6:30 point in this 2009 video.

[Blood of Tyrants]

Holder explained that some of the weekly reports reviewed by his staff did occasionally mention Fast and Furious, though none of the documents (which he provided to the committee) gave any indication of controversial tactics — or that these had gone wrong.

That is because nothing DID go wrong until Brian Terry was murdered. The program was working perfectly to get US traceable guns across the border.

[Blood of Tyrants]

The difference is that under Bush, people were actually arrested BEFORE they left the country. If a few had slipped through the dragnet, I could excuse it. But when there is no dragnet at all and EVERYONE walked across the border with THOUSANDS of firearms, It is by design.

And what about the HUNDREDS of ATF, FBI, and JD agents that knew about and said nothing? They knew the law. Are they being rounded up and questioned also?

[oyez]

Carolyn Baloney either did not bother to research this piece or is a deliberate liar.

Matters not. Who's going to hold her to task? She'll probably get a Pulitzer prize.

[M Kehoe]

Good evening.

I know this statement has been presented many times on this forum, but it bares repeating: the U.S. has roughly 20,000 federal and state gun laws...of which the U.S. GOVERNMENT broke many. We could say rightly that the DOJ is now a criminal enterprise. Subject to the RICO laws.

Then again, we could also say that the FBI and DOS were complicit (yes Hillary, we are still watching you).

That last statement could be construed as attempting to overthrow a sovereign country. A/K/A an act of war (Mexico)...or TREASON, depending the statute or interpretation.

No matter the interpretation criminal prosecutions, impeachments, etc...must be conducted, or our republic may not survive.

The consequences of in action regarding the ATF, FBI, State, and Holder could be the things civil wars are made of...

5.56mm

[TauntedTiger]

why would I shoot the messenger? I agree.

Sorry. I hit send without affirming your thread. I agree with your comment. I was expecting backlash for linking our loyal LE to the ruling class agenda.

[Travis McGee]

Some people would even say that the fedgov has already shattered the contract that binds us.

[archy]

Some people would even say that the fedgov has already shattered the contract that binds us.

And others might note that a contract derived from fraudulent contractural premises in invalid and moot.

Happily, it didn't come to that, last time.

Which is not to say what might happen the next time. Or indeed, if that's the effect desired by those hoping to divide America and drive it into a civil war.

[archy]

We have a very loyal LE class. Loyal to the smug self absorbed ruling class who pass laws 24/7 365.

At least until one day they drive from home to work one morning, and see two or three of their friends and fellow officers hanging from utility poles or streetlights, some with small fires going beneath them. And finds, out front of his station, one of his department's cars, ripped and shattered by a quarter-ton IED. And on the way home, takes a few rounds of sniper fire from different positions in different parts of town, arriving to find his home burned to the ground with his wife. kids and family dog burned alive inside.

Civil wars are terrible things, as the Finns found out in 1918 when they had one and killed off about 1% of their national population in four months- it took us around four years of our own Civil War to manage a 2% Butcher's Bill, but the Finns had a particularly bitter fight of Loyalists versus Socialists and Communists, the advantages of such modern individual tools as the Maxim machinegun, and some esopecially harsh weather conditions. Still, only about one death in four was a combat casualty: the other 3/4ths were either bayonetted or shot after being taken prisoner, hanged for treason, or froze or starved to death in prison camps.

At that point, you might find some of those LEOs to decide they'd really not play the game on those terms. It's not nearly as much fun as beating up handcuffed drunks.

[King Moonracer]

The MSM is moronic, they say its all Bush’s fault, but by implication, say Holder is too effing stupid to not do it.

[SunkenCiv]

Thanks neverdem.

Carolyn Baloney:
http://maloney.house.gov/

[from occupied ga]

In Vichy France, the French police enthusiastically cooperated with the Nazis in rounding up jews. Police are by definition loyal to whatever government is paying them. Their job is to protect and serve the government and to enforce the laws - no matter how unconstitutional or absurd those laws are. People who have a problem with that don’t go into police work.