Irish irate as Bundestag sees budget first

The Local ^ | 18 Nov 11 10:39 CET

[Olog-hai]

The Irish and German governments became entangled in a spat on Thursday after details of the Irish budget were given to the German Bundestag, before being presented to the Irish parliament, the Dáil.

The sensitive plans, including a two-percent increase in the top value added tax (VAT) and a €100 household tax, were sent by the German finance ministry—along with a letter of intent from the Irish Finance Minister—to the Bundestag budgetary committee.

This provoked outrage in Ireland, and denials from Irish Prime Minister Enda Kenny that he had given the information to the Germans.

Irish opposition parties said if reports were true that the document was seen in the German parliament, it would represent a "staggering breach of faith" which suggested Germany was "now pulling the strings," the Irish Times daily newspaper reported. …

[EEGator]

Thanks for the info. I was just quoting the article about the question asked by the poster.

[Freedom_Is_Not_Free]

Nah, our budgets get reviewed by Beijing.

[Olog-hai]

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Thanks for the info. I was just quoting the article about the question asked by the poster

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No problem. The IT was one of the biggest voices in favor of voting "Yes" to the Treaty of Lisbon in the second referendum back in 2009 (the first referendum wasn't good enough for the elites to respect because it was a "no" vote, so they beefed up their propaganda campaign to induce the Irish to vote the "right" way—and of course, now that happened, no more votes). And since that time, the EU legislated habeas corpus away and threw in a bunch of other directives bent at centralizing governmental functions . . . and now even that façade of federal rule has been stripped away, showing Berlin to be the true leader of the bloc.

[Peter ODonnell]

So? I imagine the American president has run his budget past the Chinese government, at least Germany is theoretically on our side.

[Straight Vermonter]

If the Irish wanted sovereignty they would not have signed it away n Maastricht.

[dennisw]

Germany has a right to see the Irish budget because Ireland is in debt to them. One day the ChiComs will demand to see ours. When you are a degenerate borrower this is what happens

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Nah, our budgets get reviewed by Beijing

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If so, then not openly as with this here example.

[Lazlo in PA]

So in your Liberal thinking, Ireland should just get the cash with no strings attached for repayment. The mortgage holder on my home can force me to buy insurance on the property to make sure they don’t lose their collateral. I see what Germany is doing the same way. Looking out for their collateral. If the Irish screw up the country, there will obviously be a default. Where is your scorn of the welfare state Ireland created to get them to this point?

How else would you liked this to be handled? War?

[Olog-hai]

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If the Irish wanted sovereignty they would not have signed it away n Maastricht

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The propaganda campaigns concealed the fact that it was being signed away; they really thought that the EU was a union of democracy with every member state getting an equal voice. Certainly nobody suspected that sovereignty was being ceded to Berlin, right?

[Roadgeek]

I would consider it utterly strange, yes indeed.

But being very much in debt to one single creditor nation may have caused it.
As I said, maybe the mole wanted to present the Irish budget to the Bundestag in order to show their reliability as a creditor? Thus, a goodwill sign?

[Olog-hai]

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So in your Liberal thinking, Ireland should just get the cash with no strings attached for repayment. The mortgage holder on my home can force me to buy insurance on the property to make sure they don’t lose their collateral. I see what Germany is doing the same way. Looking out for their collateral. If the Irish screw up the country, there will obviously be a default. Where is your scorn of the welfare state Ireland created to get them to this point?

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Since you're the one endorsing the social market and authoritarian technocracy over the free market and republican government, you must be the liberal here.

Not only do you turn a blind eye to the fact that these loans were forced on Ireland and other countries, but that the terms of repayment are utterly immoral (not that any of us got to see them). None of the countries have "screwed up" to the point that they should default on a fairly-negotiated loan—none of those countries have such a history. And why should all of these loans have been preceded by the fall of all of the recipient countries' national governments? You really think that they're all so incompetent?!?—wow, they all became very incompetent within a very short period of time, and all at the same time, but even as ridiculous as that notion is, you're taking that for granted. Are you even observing what's going on over there, or are you taking the propaganda of the social marketeers for gospel?

And remember, one of the things that Germany's trying to push Ireland to do is raise its corporate tax rate. Why would they do that? Do they fear having any other country in Europe becoming strong enough to challenge their dominance? That's not conducive to free-market economics.

You're endorsing very anti-American politics here, not to mention politics that liberals would think nothing of giving assent to. Think carefully about that.

[Roadgeek]

Thank you very much for giving me the proper English words :-)

Yes, in Germany some banking people (and many average citizens whose money is in the banks) were really afraid of a default, and my theory is that the Irish budget was leaked (or deliberately showed?) to the Bundestag as a proof of Ireland having the best intentions and doing her best to ensure a repayment.

However, it’s nearly 1 a.m. here, and I’m beginning to struggle with English, so I shall turn in now.
See you soon.

[Olog-hai]

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Germany has a right to see the Irish budget because Ireland is in debt to them. One day the ChiComs will demand to see ours. When you are a degenerate borrower this is what happens

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So you think that China has the right to see the USA's budget before Congress gets to see it? A communist country that's our enemy?

You seem to have a very dim view of national sovereignty, even the USA's sovereignty.

And if you did the tiniest bit of research, you'd actually find out that none of the countries that ostensibly owe Germany these loans are "degenerate borrowers" in any way, shape or form. Stop listening to liberal propaganda.

[Olog-hai]

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Yes, in Germany some banking people (and many average citizens whose money is in the banks) were really afraid of a default, and my theory is that the Irish budget was leaked (or deliberately showed?) to the Bundestag as a proof of Ireland having the best intentions and doing her best to ensure a repayment

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You didn't answer my question as to whether you think some other country's government should see the USA's budget before Congress does. Would any conservative tolerate such a thing happening?

[Olog-hai]

Not only that, Germany has no less of a welfare state than Ireland—in fact, theirs is a great deal bigger. Social market economy, remember.

[Olog-hai]

Owed you a ping.

[RedMDer]

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[bill1952]

>To hell with respecting sovereignty then?

LOL - you can't be serious. Or maybe you are and not being disingenuous

The entire intent of the EU & particularly of the Euro is to diminish national sovereignty and subsume it into am European Union governed de facto by unelected bureaucrats.

And they thought what exactly would happen?
The entire world knew this

[achilles2000]

The failing welfare states of Europe need to understand that if Hansel and Gretel are going to bail their worthless posteriors out, Hansel and Gretel are going to demand fiscal authority.

Of course, Hansel and Gretel would rather have nothing to do with a bailout, but the Eurocrat facists in Brussels and across the continent are demanding it.

This is really rather funny.

[Olog-hai]

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The entire intent of the EU & particularly of the Euro is to diminish national sovereignty and subsume it into am European Union governed de facto by unelected bureaucrats.

And they thought what exactly would happen?
The entire world knew this

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Not some of the FR "conservatives", apparently. They seem to be cheering on the reconstruction of a German empire within Europe, built on the social market economy and technocracy never mind economic blackmail. That's my point. You're preaching to the choir by pointing that out to me.