Posted on 11/15/2011 9:06:05 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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Yep...Ol buddy Rabs doesn’t like either of my two preferences....Sarah and Snewt
I miss pissant...
If it were between obama, mitt and a third party, I would go with the third party...
Unless he is less than forthright about the specifics. Newt likes to shift things around in his stories. He claims to be a Conservative now but just a few years ago wrote this book that sounds like Al Gore wrote it.
He is a straight up RINO. He has spent the last ten years proving it in deeds and actions. He can go to hell.
He wants conservatives to vote for 1993 Gingrich. He wants moderates to vote for 2000s Gingrich. Can’t stand Dana Milbank but he has an article out with direct Gingrich quotes that are downright scary to any real conservative. Newt is playing a game right now in the debates that started working when Cain got thrown under the bus.
My big problem with Newt is that he has been trashing Conservatives like me on Sunday programs and in his deeds for years now, like his slamming of the Ryan Plan and his talk of the end of the Era of Reagan. Now all of a sudden all types of people here are all fine with the guy because he started moving in the polls. His Mea Culpas are phony and I have a long memory. I don’t trust this guy.
If I gotta rally behind him in the General, fine, but I am not going to get on the bandwagon till there is no other option left.
In response, you submit a bill of particulars which have nothing to do with the article but broaden the inquiry into Gingrich's whole public and private career. Coincidentally, I just submitted the following reply in response to those issues which you legitimately raise and to which Gingrich must be made to respond here:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2808143/posts?page=19#19
When relativism is legitimate.
Resort to relativism is characteristically a left wing tactic. It says, yes Bill Clinton screwed around but everybody does it therefore we should forgive Bill Clinton. Relativism as a defense should not be admitted when the defense is invoked against a principle or when the alternatives are better.
In other words, we should forget about Bill Clinton's sexcapedes because to remove him from office would be to install Al Gore who is worse. That makes a certain amount of sense if we are making a political judgment about the future health of the Republic. But if we want to adhere to a constitutional principle, then that kind of relativism argument carries little weight. The constitutional principle in that case is, not Clinton's sex life but perjury, suborning perjury, hiding evidence, all in an attempt to fix a court case by the chief law officer of the United States. Does that not count as a matter of principle for more than the state of my 401(k)?
When we are looking for a presidential candidate to nominate we are compelled to ask, if not Newt, who? The field is finite. The alternatives are reduced as a practical matter to Mitt Romney and Herman Cain.
None of us who are political junkies who have followed this selection process from the beginning are unaware of Gingrich's baggage. In fact, I am on the opposite side from Gingrich on every one of the issues raised by National Review in this article. There are some issues which one can color in a different way, and there are some issues which I expect Gingrich to be able to neutralize by filling in the context. But I am not so naïve as to believe that I will be satisfied in every respect. In other words, on some matters of principle I will be disappointed.
The question is will I be satisfied relative his competitors in the field?
Clearly, Gingrich will have to come forward and make his case. No one will be able to make his case better and I expect that much of this will be neutralized, but not all.
At that point, we will have to make a judgment about whether the three considerations in selecting a nominee, electability, conservative bona fides, and vision weigh more for Gingrich or for Romney or Cain.
So much hate on FR...no one but Romney is apparently good for some of you!? At least that’s what your actions determine.
Ok, let me make it perfectly clear...Newt will be 3 times better president than 0bama. However Newt will be 6 times worse than Cain/Bachmann/Santorum for the conservative agenda. And Newt will be 3 times worse than Perry & Paul.
And even worse, Newt will be a bigger disaster than Romney.
Since when stating stark facts become hate?
Hate is when you attack without giving facts and just giving opinions.
Truth is, some people on FR will not support any candidate...but take some down with them!? They’re just bitter people.
Or others are just Obama supports. Either way, I don’t consider them conservatives; they’re worse than the political enemy!
(Rhino alert) is not a fact, but an opinion. Posting a thread without that (crap) is ok, but posting ‘rhino alert’ on everything is just propaganda.
Those are my three too. Santorum is my personal favorite. I like Bachmann and Cain next. Unfortunately, it’s basically over by the time our primary occurs here.
I include "vision" because beyond reacting to events as a conservative, we expect our President to be proactive, to take our country in a certain direction. At no time in our history since the descent of the Iron Curtain are we facing such a perfect storm of crises that require a leader with vision.
I am content to await Gingrich's answers to the challenges you raise, judge them on all three standards, and then judge them against the other candidates.
Xsqueeze me, you are supporting a guy who has his lips firmly attached to the beltway piggy. So gets what that means, you have no problem with it.
Admit it be proud of it.
He is such a liar. Did they throw a suitcase of cash at Doris Kearns-Goodwin too? What the hell does Newt Gingrich know about real estate history? HE LOBBIED. We all know it. So why defend him on it?
If he gave a "historical perspective" for a $1.6 million windfall...LET'S SEE IT! C'mon Gingrich...print it out and release it to the public.
He won't Because he is a damned liar and a RINO corruptocrat fraud.
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