Posted on 11/14/2011 10:23:05 AM PST by struggle
HOLY S*** GUYS STRUGGLE STRIKES GOLD AGAIN!
http://il.findacase.com/research/wfrmDocViewer.aspx/xq/fac.20110324_0000757.NIL.htm/qx
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So that’s why Zuckerman wants money!
Send this to Cain and all your media outlets!
Rove is a Romney man...he, Rove is a Moderate tilting a tad to the left at times. Rove's politics are just that....politics! Oh, and he isn't a Tea Party fan either, regardless of how he frames his answers.
Why do you dislike Herman Cain so much?
The man’s reputation is being corrupted and you expect his supporters just to sit here and take it?
NO WAY!
That is just how Herman Cain inspires me. I got his back.
I was here during that time and I can safely report that Freepers were among the most skeptical group of people I have ever witnessed. Each claim that these women made were met by an avalanche of Freepers who picked apart every statement they made. They most definitely were not a bunch of parrots.
This same level of skepticism is being applied to all the candidates positions and Freepers are characteristically ruthless even on their favorite candidates and yes many are full time cheerleaders but there is plenty of those against.
As for Cain's accusers you are wrong. They should rightly be subject to scrutiny. Issues regarding their background and past events which shed light on whether they have a track record of being honorable or a track record of being irresponsible is relevant to their testimony. Arguing that we should evaluate their testimony without evaluating their reputation is silly.
My new slogan:
If the dress ain’t got no stain, you MUST acquit Cain!
Cheers
Don’t disagree with the “fairness” question. Think I said so myself.
My problem is the attempt to destroy the person personally before he’d even finished his statement.
Any objective person would wonder why attack the person when he’s not even finished (actually with some, before he even began) speaking.
No one in their right mind believes that is fair treatment. An objective person would believe there is bias/agenda afoot.
Thanks for your comments, though.
{FYI, I’m not claiming his comments, or any accusers, bear the same weight as Cain’s. But to disparage the person because one has already made their mind up isn’t fair, isn’t reasonable...and isn’t conservative.
Bump for some greet work.
Any personal injury lawsuits out there???
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Oft-injured Zuckerman races as tribute to fallen friend
Chicago Sun-Times (IL) - Friday, August 26, 2005
Author: Bob Richards
Is there a doctor in the house?
Actually, Victor Zuckerman is a doctor, but when he gets ready for the Accenture Chicago Triathlon, he keeps other doctors busy. His list of injuries, surgeries and other assorted maladies over the years boggles the mind.
“It’s kind of a standing joke,” Zuckerman said this week as he counted down toward the 23rd Chicago Triathlon on Sunday. ‘I’ve got the X-rays and paperwork to prove it.”
His goal is to finish in one piece. But with Zuckerman , that’s not a sure thing.
“I’ve got a photo of me finishing in 2001, and I think I finished two or three other times,” the 53-year-old pediatrician said. “Every year, something happens.”
It’s only a finger dislocation this time, suffered while playing basketball with his son two weeks ago. Last year, he fell off his mountain bike and broke a leg. The year before, he had his appendix removed. Sinus surgery, pneumonia, a severe asthma attack, two hernia operations, a concussion, a broken wrist, plantar fasciitis and assorted muscle pulls have sideswiped his swim-bike-run aspirations dating to the 1980s. One year, he finished but fell and cracked his front teeth.
“I looked like a character from Deliverance’ when I crossed the finish line, but I did complete the race,” he said.
This year, even with the dislocated finger, he has a higher motivation. He is competing to honor Thomas Williams, a good friend and surgeon who died from thyroid cancer. The death of Williams, whose wife, Rhonda, is a fellow pediatrician at Stratford Pediatrics in Bloomingdale, made Zuckerman rethink his life.
“I looked at these aches and pains I’ve gone through and realized this is nothing compared to what Tom went through and what is really going on,” he said. As I watched his deterioration, all my triathlon mishaps paled in the face of the reality that [Williams] would no longer be with us. I am dedicated to re-inventing my life, and the triathlon is a huge part of it.”
Zuckerman and his staff at Stratford Pediatrics will be wearing “Meet You at the Finish Line” T-shirts in Williams’ honor.
With his new determination, Zuckerman , who signs up for this event every January, will be doing his best to take care of unfinished business in the Sprint Division — if he can stay out of harm’s way.
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I have been an expert witness. The most important thing to the attorney is establishing my credentials, my reputation and my independence or lack thereof BEFORE I get close to the witness stand.
It is perfectly appropriate for the hearers of testimony to understand what they can about the person before he speaks. In fact, those who introduce him are going to frame him as a reliable witness when they bring him out. In our current speed of communicating information that questions the reliability of the accuser is more imperative because once his claims are made they are next to impossible to stop.
'Apparently Cainiacs don’t care. Just smear, lie, and defame.'
You are right. You can claim that.
I’ll ask, when did this happen? I’ll ask you to prove that you actually had $100. I’ll ask you to show some evidence that it happened. I’ll ask you to go through some type of “under oath” testimony of what you say I did.
What I won’t do, while you’re saying all of that, is claim you’re a sorry SOB, that has slept around, and any witnesses you have are sorry SOBs, and that anything you say is lie because you’re a sorry SOB and all of your witnesses are SOBs.
I may say it didn’t happen and try to show how I know that. But I’m not going to try to destroy you personally over it. And I don’t know that even if I did that it would accrue to my benefit
Someone once said, “Don’t explain yourself. Your friends don’t need it and your enemies won’t believe it.”
I think that’s true here.
But one other thing: With all of the accusations and character assassination of the accusers, how much introspection have you seen from Cain supporters as to whether any of this...ANY of this might be true?
Or have YOU seen a preponderance of attacking the “messenger”?
I’ve been accused falsely (and actually lost lawsuits) in the past. So, I’m sympathetic.
But my problem is the very personal, very aggressive attack on the “messengers”...even before they began speaking.
Are you okay with that kind of stuff?
What kind of man does nothing when their pretty white girlfriend comes home and says she was sexually assaulted by a black man? Oh honey don’t worry in 14 years he’ll run for president and I’ll back up your story????? Give me a break. Larry Sinclair tale of giving a crack smoking Obama a Lewinski in the back of Limo in Chicago in 1999 is more believeable....
No credibility whatsoever that you selectively pick a rating based on two patients. You ignored the other sites with much more negative ratings and more patient responses. You have no shame. Zot!
And have you ever, in that courtroom setting, seen a defendant attack an opposing expert witness?
Of course you have.
But at least they have to answer. Once the allegation is made, a defense must be brought.
In the cases I've been involved with, just saying "That didn't happen" wasn't generally compelling.
I'm not saying Cain did anything wrong. Read my posts. I SAID that folks here are attempting to tear these folks up personally before hearing what they had to say.
And I'm pretty sure I asked...what if what the accusers had to say was the truth?
Would we be interested in knowing that, or do we just not care? And we don't care because, in this case, it's our guy.
Why are you asking ME to prove it when you have not asked HER to prove anything?
Why are you asking ME for evidence when you have not asked HER for evidence? We have both just made accusations with words.
You have asked ME to go under oath but you have not asked HER to go under oath. Why?
And we are just role playing in a forum - if I am believed or not may just prove my or your point. But, if my accusation had potential impact on your career, you may not be playing so nice.
And to be fair, there was no attack "before they even began speaking". The accusers brought this topic to the forefront by speaking first. The accusers made the first attempt at character assassination. Cain has responded in defense.
If the accusers wanted justice, they could and should have have pursued it in the legal system. Don't forget, Clinton's accusers did just that. This is about attacking a person the forum of biased media.
The accusers can always just make up a new accusations. They never suffer any consequence for fraudulently accusing.”
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Great way to show these Cain bashers how easy it is to condemn somebody with nothing more than accusations.
Funny how these Cain bashers love when this tactic is used against Cain, but when one uses it on them...well, now that's “not the same thing!”
Thank you for showing their hypocrisy.
It's a crazy world. The same guy, chasaway, stole $125 from me 14 years ago! I didn't come forward until now, upon learning that he has stolen from others too. But I did tell my ex-boyfriend about it, and he will swear under oath that I did.
To be fair, Dr. Zuckerman began speaking at the press conference at 1:00 PM. Here are some quotes from this thread prior to that:
So that’s why Zuckerman wants money!
Now he is running a “Medi-spa” in Louisiana which is code for a laser treatment and Botox clinic. Great character reference. Usually Allred does better vetting her gold diggers than this.
A pediatrician who runs a botox clinic? What a swell guy.
That’s a really credible witness they’ve got there. (/s)
Not a pediatrician anymore (Thank God!) He’s now got a Botox clinic—just another scam. No wonder Bialek’s face is a mess.
Read it or do a search for Zuckerman or should I say Suckerman. He and Bialek made a good match. They’re both con artists.
It doesn’t matter. The MSM will ignore the truth and portray this lousy scumbag as a righteous, good man while Cain is continually portrayed as a dumb black man with no depth of intelligence who can’t keep his pants on around white women.
How much you wanna bet when Zuckerman told that ho Bialek to contact Cain back in ‘97, it was for the purpose to shake him and the NRA down for cash.
ROFL! Is that Victor or Sharon on the left? Maybe he does sex change operations, too! What a credible witness!!!
This was BEFORE he gave his interview.
Now be fair.
There are hundreds of thousands of posts that you don’t respond to. You respond to who you feel like responding to.
As do I.
As do we all.
And for the record, I think you’re wrong about Perry. I actually think he would make a good president. I think the it’s a lie to say Perry is pro-illegal.
I am off of Perry. I think he is 100% unelectable. But I’m really sickened by the attacks that were made here by you and others and I wasn’t going to say that but you goaded me into it by bringing up Perry in a thread about Cain which proves to ME that Perry is living rent-free in YOUR head and yes, you are right, I can ignore your posts, and you can ignore mine too, but that doesn’t change the fact that you have an obsession and it’s based on a presumption that just is wrong.
What state sharing a border with Mexico have YOU been a governor of?
But never mind. We both know the answer to that.
Go back to Perry bashing. And I’ll go back to calling foul on the Perry-bashers.
How about that?
As for Perry himself, he’s 6% in the polls and that’s 6% wasted vote, in my opinion, and I hope those 6%ers come to their senses and support either Cain or Gingrich, but it’s because Perry is UNELECTABLE (Obama would crush him), not because Perry is a bad guy.
He’s not a bad guy. He’s a conservative, Christian, patriotic American and your constant attempts to make him into something other than that make me NOTICE and respond to your posts.
That’s just the way it goes.
bfl!
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