Posted on 11/13/2011 7:32:08 PM PST by Colofornian
NEW YORK (AP) — On "Saturday Night Live," even the devil was offended by the Penn State child sex abuse scandal.
"SNL" cast member Jason Sudeikis reprised his role as Satan, appearing with red horns and pitchfork. The devil was informed by "Weekend Update" host Seth Meyers of sex charges against a former defensive coordinator and allegations that university officials failed to report the abuse.
Even he was disturbed by the news. Addressing Penn State students who protested football coach Joe Paterno's firing, the devil spoke directly into the camera, asking, "Do you know how bad that made you look?"
Disgusted by the scandal, the devil says, "Evil isn't what it used to be."
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“I will be apalled if Paterno knew any of this.
Anyone could have called the cops at anytime.”
That’s right.
I’ve gotten to the point (after reading, then re-reading) that there is no other “out” for JoePa...he had to know.
And this is coming from an extreme pro-JoePa household.
I came to the conclusion before my hubby - which irked him to no end. Within the last 2 days, hubby got there too. It’s been very quiet here.
“We are all responsible in some way”
I’m not so sure about that. Look around and see the horror? It’s because most people don’t act like this. Most people react differently than this bunch.
Every day there are heroes who save kids. They make the call - or they take in kids who have been removed from sad situations.
There is good out there too, it’s just that we are seeing evil come from the last place we expected to see it.
“I’m having a hard time wrapping my head around it all.”
me too. As ticked as I am at JoePa,I actually cried for him on saturday. I am not one who cries easily.
A week ago I would have envisioned him having a beautiful final game with a fantastic send-off from the fans at Beaver Stadium. I pictured him enjoying a well-deserved retirement.
Now? He won’t know peace throughout his final days. This is so incredibly sad.
But what is even worse?
There are young men out there forever damaged by the inaction of adults who knew better.
sigh.
I agree.
It has to be something much bigger than that.
I have the creeps.
I agree with you. The “I notified the people above me” excuse is pretty weak.
McQueary’s delayed reaction is odd, but (other that his duty as a citizen) he was only a graduate assistant, and not somebody in a position of authority on campus. From what I’ve read, Paterno’s authority and power were much greater than that of a typical college football coach. Some people say he was practically the most powerful man on campus. I think he was clearly in charge every aspect of the football program.
When one of Paterno’s employees (McQueary) met him in person and told him he had personally witnessed a sex crime against a child the previous night in one of the football program’s buildings, a competent administrator in Paterno’s situation would have asked specific questions about what happened.
If there was any possibility that a crime against a child had been committed, all Paterno had to do was order his employee (McQueary) to immediately accompany him to the police station to make a first-hand report.
When Paterno, and several more administrators above him, kept the information in-house without a police investigation, I think there is only one reasonable conclusion: Whatever their motives, they all conspired to cover up a serious crime.
Yep, as weak as "I was only following orders."
In the days to come, I have no doubt we will find that a vast majority of the school administrative staff, various members of the football staff, etc. were all involved in some of the most sexually deviant, depraved and morally bankrupt, illegal activities we could ever imagine.
And they used the pillar of morality, Joe Paterno, as their cover.
I am not defending Paterno. He is part of the cover up. He failed to do the right thing and put football above the very young people he has been preaching about for decades.
But there is no doubt that the underbelly of this scandal counted on Paterno's high character and above suspicion morality as the deflector for their depravity.
Vitriol much?
If the man is found guilty, then he must be punished to the fullest extent.
I’ve just known too many people who are accused of ugly sexual conduct (e.g., Herman Cain), and those accusations are later shown to be baseless. Meanwhile, reputations are destroyed.
Our typical response to accusations should be patience, and the presumption of innocence.
Good post.
I used to really, really like JoePa and just about equally dislike Penn State fans. Joe’s greatness did not reflect on them but they acted like it did.
Now I don’t like thinking about JoePa and I really feel bad for PSU’s fans. Joe’s mistake doesn’t reflect on them.
But when I find ding-a-lings still defending JoePa, I happily (verbally) beat them into submission.
Rodriguez was an idiot, but did his team ever use three timeouts on its first drive like Penn State did this year against Alabama?
it’s going to take JoePa fans awhile.
Especially if they refuse to read the testimony...denial and all that.
It is so sad, and it’s only going to get worse.
“Sandusky is not an employee of Paterno.”
The only reason he still had a relationship with the university was that he had been an employee of Paterno. Paterno was still responsible.
“Paterno was not told he was anally raping anyone. fondling was the term reported to Joe.”
Oh, you were there? I ask because the grand jury report does not agree with your version of events. Besides, since when is a grown man fondling a little boy something that can be overlooked?
“Sandusky was not even working for Penn State in 2002, when Joe was informed of the events. Sandusky had retired in 1999 after 30 years at Penn State.”
Is there no absurdity for which you will not grasp in the attempt to excuse this? Three years after retirement Sandusky still had a formal relationship with the university, because he had been an employee of Paterno. Paterno was still responsible for his having access to the university facilities.
All that said, this “not an employee any more” crap is just a red herring. Sandusky could have been a complete stranger, and Paterno would still have been responsible for taking action when he was informed that there was a child molester in his locker room.
“state law mandates that upon notification of such events, police are to be notified. this is the question, did Curley notify the police or not.”
No, that is a tertiary question at most. The primary question is did McQueary notify the police when Paterno failed to take adequate action, and the secondary question is did Paterno notify the police when Curley failed to.
You can’t shuck off a moral duty by notifying someone who fails to take action.
“the witness, mcqueary, would be the one to go to the cops. not the witness’s colleague.”
Everybody who knew about it had an inescapable moral duty to ensure that *someone* took proper action. If Curley failed to, it fell back on Paterno. If Paterno failed to, it fell back on McQueary. None of them has the slightest excuse.
“you go rambo! hey, there are drug dealers down your street. why haven’t you shot them yet? oh yea, something called the law”
Are you unaware that the law allows passers by to interrupt rapists? Nice try with the old false moral equivalence, there, Chauncy, but no cigar. That said, if we are ever walking down the street and see a rape in progress, I would advise you to put in some earplugs.
“again, you fail to understand the fundamental difference”
No, you again advance the same old invalid argument. Human beings have duties.
“if you stole a car, in this case it’d be some unknown neighbor’s car, and mcqueary witnessed it and told me about it. i then call the parking lot super to report it. then what? it’s not my car, i don’t even know who it belongs to.”
Gibberish. Sandusky, McQueary, and the locker room were all known to Paterno. Paterno knew that McQueary was credible. McQueary reported a heinous crime to Paterno, and Paterno had an absolute moral duty to follow up.
For you, apparently, a human child is no more important than somebody else’s car, and his rape can be shrugged off and forgotten just as easily. That is truly disgusting.
“take action? gawd.. you’d be fun at a bar. i’d be messing with you”
You don’t have the brains to “be messing” with anyone.
“seriously, you do know there are drug dealers in your area selling crack to kids, right? why aren’t you out there killing them…are you satisfied with kids on crack or are you a man of action? go now, rambo!”
Do you really imagine that you have made a point with that puerile nonsense? Just for the sake of a little light exercise, let’s look at some of the idiocies in that paragraph.
Firstly, you are saying that taking action when a child is being raped right in front of you is equivalent to “killing” people for crimes you did not witness. Dishonestly, you try to equate the words “take action” with the notion of homicide.
You are saying that if a man would interfere with the rape of a child he is the kind of lunatic who would go around the streets hunting and killing drug dealers, as opposed to calling the police if he identifies them. There you imply a lie. You imply the lie that a legal act of rendering assistance to a child is the moral equivalent of illegally “killing” drug dealers, and that a man who would do the first would do the second.
What kind of scum thinks that way?
Next you assert that there are drug dealers in my area selling crack to kids. Well, not all of us live in slums. I’ve never seen anyone selling drugs anywhere in this town, and yes, I’d see it if it were common. So, no: I don’t know it’s happening right now.
You ask if I haven’t called the cops yet to report drug sales. No, I have not reported any drug sales, because I haven’t witnessed any, or heard any credible reports of same.
You ask if I have kept up on anti-drug efforts? I have three kids in college, and two in grade school. Yes, I have kept up on anti-drug programs.
You ask if I have been ferreting out all the crack houses. No, but if I walked right up on one, like McQueary walked up on that rape, you can bet I would report it. And if the city police didn’t do anything, I’d try the county sheriff, and if they didn’t do anything I would speak with the governor. And if he wouldn’t speak to me, I’ll bet the media would.
“nope. come in through the side window... it’s open.”
You seem to have lost track of the fact that it is you who are arguing against morality and right reason. I don’t come through peoples’ windows. Interesting that your mind went right to that.
“gang lifestyle was used in place of homosexual lifestyle. sorry if the abstraction confused you.”
I guess I should explain to you that homosexuals are, by definition, not interested in what you imply. I used the word “pussy” to indicate a feline lack of fortitude.
But then, I don’t need to explain the practices of homosexuals to you, do I? After all, I know them only at second hand.
“actually, you’re posts show me you’re mentally unstable and should probably seek counseling.”
Well, I’m stable enough to write a note without losing my ability to spell, capitalize, and punctuate, and without forgetting, for instance, that “you’re” is the contraction of “you” and “are,” and not the possessive form of the pronoun “you.”
I am also stable enough to restrain myself from staggering into crazy town and coming out with idiotic false moral equivalencies that hold assistance to a raped child as on the same moral plane with illegally killing drug dealers. I can look at the phrase, “take action,” without wandering into a fever swamp in which that could never mean “break up the rape” and “call the police,” but can only mean going on a “killing” spree.
I’m done with you for now. I think you are (a) a leftist and (b) suffering from same-sex attraction disorder. While I pity you and hope you get treatment for both disorders, I see no reason why I should get that stuff all over myself.
“Whatever their motives, they all conspired to cover up a serious crime.”
It certainly appears so.
My husband got there before I did. I’m not there yet. I still don’t think he knew what was really going on. I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He’s has such an illustrious career and life that I think he deserves the benefit of the doubt now.
I didn’t and don’t think Paterno was perfect. He didn’t define my years at Penn State but he was one of the positive aspects of it. 25 years ago, he was the face of integrity for the football program. Even when we couldn’t stand some of his coaching. But he was more than just football. He was the football coach who made his players study and achieve passing grades (I know, I was a tutor). He donated his time and money to academics.
I feel for the current students. Students who go to class and do their best, work, volunteer their time in the many clubs and charities. They have nothing to do with this crime and coverup. The Alumni have nothing to do with this crime and coverup. The current athletes have nothing to do with the crime and coverup.
I think we are all responsible in some way because we’ve allowed the atmosphere. We don’t speak up enough. I notice the media, and discussions elsewhere, aren’t mentioing the specific crime. It’s not just child abuse. Or child sexual abuse. It’s those things for sure, but it’s a bit more specific and that’s not being discussed outside of here or other conservative forums.
I see horror at child abuse. I don’t see or hear people discussing this aspect of homosexual sexual child abuse. I haven’t heard one news report mention that Sandusky was a homosexual predator. Not one. They aren’t playing up how he chose his victims and groomed them. That he started a charity for at risk boys and preyed on those boys.
I think that’s a huge issue that isn’t being addressed by the media. There was a huge coverup and I think it goes deeper than just Sandusky. The media wants to make it about football but I don’t think it is...I think making it about footall is another smokescreen. I think the Board of Trustees firing Paterno is just another smokescreen for the real issue.
Maybe it’s just about Sandusky and Penn State football but I doubt it. The media and TPTB were quick to blame Paterno/fire Paterno. As of now, I think it was to direct the heat off of them. It was to direct the heat off of the real issue and the reason for the coverup.
The media wants to make it about his legacy and they will succeed to an extent. He will be forever tied to this scandal...this scandal about a homosexual predator who preyed on little boys through his charity and through penn state football. But this is not just about Penn State or Penn State football. This happens everywhere and it’s covered up because no one wants to bring attention to it...it’s not PC.
All the calls about Paterno not doing enough...I wonder about that. He reported the accusation he heard in 2002. Sandusky was under investigation in 1998 and nothing was done. He “retired” in 1999 and no other school tried to hire him. Why? What did they know, what was the downlow on that? It had to be known on some extent.
What I do know is that Penn State students and alumni aren’t to blame for any of this. Penn State football players (and other athletes) aren’t to blame for any of this.
I will never be ashamed or shamed that I’m a Penn State Alumni. Just as I’m not ashamed or shamed that I’m a Catholic.
Seriously, we have had the most incompetent coaching staff for at least a decade or two. Or more! I swear we’ve won by players ignoring the coaching or just plain luck at times.
Our defense rocks. Our offense leaves much to be desired.
So at least 500,000 alumni and 97.000 current students is just a bunch of pedophiles and supporters of homosexual pedophiia? Really?
Your statement is insane.
Crimes were committed. Sandusky allegedly raped or abused boys. There was some kind of coverup. Some of those crimes happened on the Penn State University Park campus.
So everything about Penn State, and every current student and alumni is to blame for this? Really?
So the man who committed these atrocities (he isn’t the focus of the news), and those who covered it up, a small minority, are overshadowed by those who had nothing to do with these crimes?) Yeah, that seems fair and conservative.
So Penn State is full of pedophiles and those who attended and still attend are to blame?
And you don’t see how this is ludicrous?
I am PENN STATE! I did nothing wrong. 500,000 alimni did nothing wrong. 97,000 current students did nothing wrong. But one man and maybe 50 more did something wrong but you’re ready to trash the rest of them, us. That says more about you than us.
I will wear my colors proudly and to hell with what anyone else thinks :) Just like I’m a proud American (unlike Michelle Obama) regardless of who is POTUS.
WE ARE...PENN STATE.
But I don’t see you blaming the homosexual agenda. Sandusky was/is a homo pedophile who groomed kids. That’s lost in all the media frenzy. Stop blaming Penn State students and Alumni and start blaming who is really responsible.
Or is that too difficult?
excellent post.
The students have a nice week-long break coming up. When they go back it will only be for a couple of weeks, then a month off.
Hopefully by the time they return for spring semester the hoopla will have died down a bit for them.
Your post reminded me of my visit with my dad tonight. He said “not a good week to be a catholic Penn-Stater!”
For years - with the church scandal - the media would not report that it was a homosexual ephebophilia scandal.
Now they won’t use the words homosexual pedophilia. (although I will give kudos to Costas for using the word “pedophile” during the interview)
Maybe as this goes on, that will change in this story.
The media really loved the Church scandal - it gave them a chance to suggest that being catholic somehow made those men the way they are...instead of being homosexual ephebophiles.
They can’t really take that route here, although I never expect them to explicitly name the root of the problem.
I think -if Sandusky did ever open up about his background - the chances are high that this happened to him as a child.
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