Your answer to this one?
Posted on 11/08/2011 7:53:00 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
JACKSON, Miss. (AP) -- Mississippi voters shot down a referendum Tuesday that would have effectively banned abortions in the state, rejecting an initiative that said life begins at conception.
The so-called personhood initiative was rejected by more than 55 percent of voters. If it had passed, it was virtually assured of drawing legal challenges because it conflicts with the Supreme Court's 1973 Roe v. Wade decision that established a legal right to abortion.
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“I assume you’re lugging the cooler full of embryos out of the building”
Lol, I’m getting a kick out of your examples.
“No person shall be deprived of life without due process of law.”
“No State shall deprive any person of life without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.”
That is the supreme law of the land.
So true about the wording. I must have heard at least 1/2 dozen or more different interpretations. Some were quite extreme and silly. The discussions of what 26 meant divided friends and families. I even heard someone say that they wondered if this would legally make them 9 months older.
On a positive note, I was happy to see voter id pass. Will miss Haley but think Phil will do good.
Wait for a proposition that mentions sperm before torching your scarecrows.
And we hope to eventually argue the court system into accepting it literally.
In the meantime, provisions that guarantee a greater degree of recognition than known before, even if less than the ideal on Mt. Sinai, are now potentially in play. Shall we take our marbles and go home because not enough people want to play on Mt. Sinai yet?
I had no idea that God allowed the voters of Mississippi to determine when life began....I searched through the bible and no where did I find "God formed a baby in the womb and called on Mississipians to tell Him when its life began".....maybe I should look under the third book of Mississippi?????or not
Since I haven’t answered?
My answer is thats a stupid question. First off, I have 2 good arms.
There is nothing in that proposal that would do anything like what you and the other aborticians are theorizing.
I had no idea that God allowed the voters of Mississippi to determine when life began....I searched through the bible and no where did I find "God formed a baby in the womb and called on Mississipians to tell Him when its life began".....maybe I should look under the third book of Mississippi?????or not
Actual decisions are made to sacrifice human lives for the lives (or freedoms) of others all the time; it happens every time we take military action, for example. Ostensibly the lives lost in the invasion of Afghanistan are worth it to prevent the lives lost in future terrorist attacks on the US, that could have potentially been based in Afghanistan.
The point is, for a true supporter of the Mississippi initiative the 10,000 frozen embryos vs. 1 10 year old girl scenario SHOULDN'T be a puzzle; it should be an obvious choice to save the 10,000 "persons."
If you reject the scenario as artificial, consider this: in practical, real world terms, if we support the Mississippi initiative, we clearly should be devoting the SAME effort, manpower, and funding to protecting fertilized eggs and investigating and documenting their deaths, as we do to protecting little girls and investigating and documenting their deaths.
whites in MS voted around 90% GOP
and a fair numbers of ordinarily Democrat voting blacks would vote for a well written amendment
the pro abortion crowd really capitalized on the fears about:
in vitro
birth control
morning after
tubal pregnancy
rape and incest
and it worked..
sadly
almost no abortions take place in MS anyhow but if anything like this does ever pass there then it could start things positive
I'd bet money, marbles and chalk that when Nixon proposed and Congress created the EPA, we'd have been told they would never try to regulate CO2 as a pollutant, in equally determinate terms. Don't underestimate the ability of government bureaucracy to get stupid.
I’d believe the third book of Mississippi before something that came from the third book of Mormon... just kidding! just kidding! (Duck’n & runn’n)
Can’t we achieve some working agreements here to make big inroads into abortion without accusing those who ultimately would want something more or less of being monsters????
Look, you got 45% of Mississippians to agree on THIS. You’d have also to deal with Roe v. Wade in a rational manner, which that decision itself opens the door to because it confessed it was not possible to determine when life began.
Your answer to this one?
Which one was your dinner?
It worked. Just read this thread.
“if we support the Mississippi initiative, we clearly should be devoting the SAME effort, manpower, and funding to protecting fertilized eggs and investigating and documenting their deaths, as we do to protecting little girls and investigating and documenting their deaths.”
This is the best point made. Those who think those extreme examples couldn’t happen, should digest this.
Strategerist wrote:
“Burning building - you can carry out an unconscious 10 year old girl, or a cooler full of 10,000 frozen embryos, but not both. Which do you pick?”
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I don’t get the point you’re trying to make here. First, a frozen embryo has not been fertilized by male sperm, so it’s not the same thing as a pregnancy. Second, you could just as easily ask the question:
“Burning building - you can carry out an unconscious 10 year old girl, or an unconscious 1-year-old baby boy, but not both.”
So let’s just say I were to rescue the 1-year-old infant boy in this situation because he happened to be the most accessible. Since I can’t rescue both children, does this mean I value the lives of 10-year-olds or girls any less???
very true
Sad
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