Santorum promises to ban abortion, discharge gay soldiers and abolish the 9th circuit

Daily Caller ^ | November 4, 2011

[NYer]

You guys can rip into me if you'd like,but there are certain cases in which abortion could be acceptable. If the child will be severely mentally retarded that they will not be able to live a decent life,then it would be more humane than allowing the child to live a miserable life.

No one is going to rip into you. You are expressing personal opinions that do not fit the Judeo-Christian argument for life. Who is to define 'severely retarded' and the standard that should be applied? I have read countless testimonies of such instances over the years. Based on pre-natal tests, parents were told their child would be born a vegetable only to learn afterwards that something went wrong in the testing. How many perfectly normal children have been aborted because of such a mistake?

Then there are the cases of children discovered to have physical abnormalities while still in the womb. Immediately, I think of Samuel Alexander Armas.

Take a good look at this picture. It's one of the most remarkable photographs ever taken. The tiny hand of a fetus reaches out from a mother's womb to clasp a surgeon's healing finger. It is, by the way, 21 weeks old, an age at which it could still be legally aborted. While undergoing spina bifida surgery in utero, 21-week-old fetus Samuel Armas grips the finger of Dr. Joseph Bruner through the incision.At that age the mother could have chosen to have the foetus aborted. Her decision not to, however, led to an astonishing test not just of medical technology, but of faith. Who are we to question why God sends such children into this world?

Another example is if the mother's life is in danger.

This is one of those "broad" excuses that doctors have used since ad finitum to justify abortion. High blood pressure is an example of a 'life threatening' situation. It's treatable.

Last year, I posted the story of an abortion that took place in Italy. The young woman decided to abort her child because it had a cleft palate, a condition easily resolved through surgery. She falls into the category of a woman who was psychologically challenged to give birth to such a child.

I don't know if you are a person who practices your faith on a daily basis but I would encourage you to take a deeper look at scripture and the truths contained therein.

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

Well,in Judaism it is stated that abortion is acceptable when the mother's life is in danger,but remember,Judaism is all about life. We are G-d’s partners in Tikkun Olam,or repairing the world. I know it's a little off topic but it does have some relevance. Saving one life is equivalent to saving the entire world is also a very important tenet of Judaism,so it's not as though we advocate the idea of abortion.

[Jonty30]

Santorum is not going to be the nominee.

For Santorum to be one, Cain and and Romney would have to take about an equal amount of votes, but not enough for Santorum to come up the middle.

That is not going to happen.

[Repeal The 17th]

You are not allowed to decide who lives and who dies.
You are not G_D.

[NYer]

That is all quite interesting and thank you for sharing the faith perspective but you did not answer any of my questions.

[Repeal The 17th]

“The expression tikkun olam is used in the Mishnah to indicate that a practice should be followed not because it is required by Biblical law, but because it helps avoid social chaos.”
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Does this say your pro abortion stance is non-biblical social engineering?
Or am I misreading it?

[BfloGuy]

“...ban abortion, discharge gay soldiers, and abolish the 9th circuit...” -

Which of these does the executive branch have the power to do?

Precisely. This is a "Hail Mary" if there ever was one.

One of the reasons I dropped Bachmann was her signing of one of those silly pledges that, among other things, promised to ban pornography. I couldn't help but wonder about her concept of the presidency that she thought she could just overrule the 1st Amendment.

And, if she really does understand the Constitution, then she signed the thing solely to pander. Either way, that was it for me. And Santorum's become a joke, too.

[Engraved-on-His-hands]

I think that Rick Santorum is refreshing.

Many people complain about RINO’s, moderates, Country Club Republicans, free shrimpers, or whatever you want to call them. But many of the same people who are critical of the more liberal elements within the Party are also highly critical of Santorum when he runs as a conservative. Sigh...

One criticism many lay at Santorum’s feet is that he lost his Senate election by 18 points. One of the reasons that happened (not the only reason, granted, but one of the big ones) is that he ran as a conservative in a non-conservative election cycle. A lot of politicians were running to the middle to get re-elected. Sure, he had an issue or two that can be pointed to that were not as conservative; but primarily he ran to the right of George Bush during an election in which the general populace thought that George Bush was too conservative. He did it even though he knew that it could cost him his Senate seat. That’s refreshing to me.

You might not like Rick Santorum, but he has the courage of his convictions. We need more like him, in good times and in bad.

[Salvation]

**You might not like Rick Santorum, but he has the courage of his convictions. We need more like him, in good times and in bad.**

BTTT — I really won’t be surprised if all the other candidates drop out and leave Santorum standing.

[little jeremiah]

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Why doesn't any other R address the moral/social issues as clearly as Santorum? Chicken or don't care?

[little jeremiah]

That would be great!

[Jonty30]

Whenever the Israelites absolutely rebelled to the point, where their very existence was questionable, God often resorted to harm reduction.

Example, allowing for divorce or allowing the Israelites to eat certain meats.

The allowance of polygamy, though far from God’s plan for marriage, was also because the Israelites were unwilling, at this time, to change.

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

Where are you getting the idea that I’m saying I’m G-d? I never said I have the right to decide who lives and dies? what are you on?

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

Read my private reply. I never said I am G-d,so don’t be a nit-wit,unless it comes easily and is beyond your control.

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

Tikkun Olam means “to repair the world”. we are G-d’s partners in making the world a better place for all. Does this register with you?

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

What do you want me to say? No,I am not “socially engineered”. I am just telling you what Judaism says. It has nothing to do with me or the fact that I am against abortion unless there are extreme circumstances. I am not for abortion when it's being used as a form of birth control because the woman was being a slut and does not want a child, or for some other totally illegitimate reason. I don't know what else I can tell you,except what I just did.

[Repeal The 17th]

“...Read my private reply...”
“Re: Santorum promises to ban abortion, discharge gay soldiers and abolish the 9th circuit
From POWERSBOOTHEFAN | 11/05/2011 6:10:06 PM PDT new
Are you on drugs?”
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No.
I am not, thank you very much for your concern,

You are the one who said abortion was acceptable and should be condoned under certain circumstances.
Whoever decides what those circumstances are is playing G_D.

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

I am not deciding who lives or dies! The reason I asked you if you were on drugs is because of your INCREDIBLY stupid and moronic statement that I am trying to play G-d! I did not say abortion should be condoned but there MAY be circumstances in which it would be humane because of severe,severe retardation in which the child may not grow up to be someone who can function. Do you think that should be? AGAIN,I am not trying to play G-d or decide who should live or die. There are extreme circumstances.

[Netizen]

Another example is if the mother's life is in danger.

This is one of those "broad" excuses that doctors have used since ad finitum to justify abortion. High blood pressure is an example of a 'life threatening' situation. It's treatable.

Actually, a couple of things here. First, one of the occurrences might be if the woman had a certain type of cancer and found out she was pregnant. The pregnancy may cause the cancer to spread more rapidly. Another scenario, that gets misrepresented is the catch all of 'the life of the mother'. I was caught up in that with HELLP Syndrome but, it like other high risk pregnancies doesn't really center on aborting the baby, as much as it centers on who to save in the event that they can only save one. The mother or the baby. In such a case, saving the mother doesn't mean the baby is aborted, it just means the baby dies during childbirth. Sometimes the surgeons cannot save both the mother and the baby. To me, abortion is intentional and planned. To me anyway, if the health of the mother is at risk and they have to deliver the baby early and it doesn't survive, that is not abortion.

[POWERSBOOTHEFAN]

That is a very good response.