Posted on 11/04/2011 7:02:26 AM PDT by decimon
Catholic Ireland's stunning decision to close its embassy to the Vatican is a huge blow to the Holy See's prestige and may be followed by other countries which feel the missions are too expensive, diplomatic sources said on Friday.
The closure brought relations between Ireland and the Vatican, once ironclad allies, to an all-time low following the row earlier this year over the Irish Church's handling of sex abuse cases and accusations that the Vatican had encouraged secrecy.
Ireland will now be the only major country of ancient Catholic tradition without an embassy in the Vatican.
"This is really bad for the Vatican because Ireland is the first big Catholic country to do this and because of what Catholicism means in Irish history," said a Vatican diplomatic source who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
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Ah, jumping to conclusions again — read the article: it’s about a socialist government trying to divert attention from itself. Now, the “bash-em Caflix” are joining with the socialists and communists — congratulations!
Sorry, but you are grossly misinformed.
Their budgets aren’t done for tax purposes, etc etc..
The vatican sits on wealth of generations in terms of its real estate and artifacts, but its budget is hardly large considering the scope and scale of the Church’s works.
I know it won’t stop the catholic bashing that is prevalent here, but facts never matter to the bigot.
Let’s not get all semantic, ‘K? Cut the crap. The wealth under the direct control of the catholics is in the hundreds of billions, if not low trillions.
Then Tick says The wealth under the direct control of the catholics is in the hundreds of billions, if not low trillions. -- oh, so now you mean all Catholics? First you said the Vatican, then the Catholic Church and now all Catholics -- is that what you mean?
>> facts never matter to the bigot
I’m not a bigot. “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.” The only thing I’ll say from a Christian perspective is catholics do *not* have a lock on eternal salvation like they think they do. Otherwise, your eternal reward is not for me to judge.
But the Vatican crying “poor us” is laughable. If you consider pointing that out to be bigotry, then I’ll have to call you a naive partisan in reply.
What credentials would such a scholar have?
A recommendation from their local bishop?
Convince me that the vatican doesn’t have access to as much of that catholic wealth as they might ever need.
>> You don’t know jack.
And you may have fooled yourself, but you aren’t fooling me.
Academic or journalistic credentials — the kind you get from being a scholar at a real institution of higher learning, or a journalist affiliated with any organization anyone’s ever heard of. You don’t need a letter from your bishop any more than you’d need it at the Library of Congress. Do I need to add that you don’t need to be Catholic, Christian, or anything at all? It’s a scholarly institution, friend. Try to understand what that means.
I know know you want to make Secret Archives out to be a private club where inside-connected Catholics get to snoop through the juicy files — for a friendly contribution, of course. You need to get over this ignorant bigotry.
Put up or shut up.
You are correct. A majority of the Church’s material wealth is the priceless art and artifacts in their possession. The Church is going cash broke just like the rest of us..
I did. Read for meaning.
I think to burden of proof is on you, as one can not prove a negative. Were the Church, or Pope for that matter, to have access to untold wealth, what have they done with it? Or, what would they do with it?
You know something? The US government has uncounted wealth also. They could sell all that useless junk the Smithsonian is warehousing. The site of the Washington Monument (already damaged) has plenty of space for some nice office buildings (do you know how high class A rents are in the District?). And don’t you think Arlington cemetery could be redeveloped into some first class luxury apartments, retail, and destination restaurants? Tick, your insights have so much potential!
Your posts was saying that the trillion$$ owned by Catholics across the world like me (ok, I don't have trillions ;-P) would fork over all of that to the Vatican city state for any cause -- and your post is wrong.
I do give some (not enough) to Catholic charities and missions, but no, it doesn't go through the Vatican.
The Vatican doesn't have "access to as much of that wealth as they may ever need", not even wrt to individual dioceses who would baulk at giving all of it to the Vatican as they use it for charities etc.
If I’d known where this thread would go then I wouldn’t have started it
What next, the Whore of Babylon? We're heard it before, so cough it up and show your true colors.
Michelangelo's paintings in the Sistine Chapel, not to mention Bernini's baldacchino in Saint Peter's and other extremely valuable art owned by the Vatican, are not for sale. This artwork will remain for the greater glory of God, and they are available for viewing by every humble man or woman who wishes to view them.
Isn't it tiresome how the Catholic Bashers crawl out every time there is a newsworthy article posted on FR about the Vatican?
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