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To: Roos_Girl
Your comments, and others’, are in general degrading to people who choose to do things differently than you

It has nothing to do with me, although you desperately want to make it that way. There are experts in vaccinations who have analyzed the data, understand the risks and benefits, and have set the schedule based on that expertise and knowledge. I agree with them. Dr. Sears, and you apparently, do not agree with the experts. Sears is not an expert. He just pretends to be one so he can sell books to unsuspecting and confused people. That places him pretty low on the pole. Why anyone listens to him is a mystery, but there they are. Whaddyagonnado?

Someone else chooses to drink raw milk so they’re “stupid” or “nuts”.

I don't care if you drink raw milk. Just don't try and tell me that it prevents disease or helps your immune system. Those are lies. There is no benefit to drinking raw milk vs. pasteurized milk. That being the case, why would you do so? I really don't care one way or another. Irrational behavior has always been a curiosity to me.

People who give raw milk to young children, with vulnerable and still developing immune systems, are taking unnecessary chances for no good reason. That makes them less than intelligent. It happens all the time and there is nothing I can do about it, and there is nothing I want to do about it -- other than pointing out their stupidity. I can't prevent stupidity nor do I think the government can. Pointing it out upsets you for some reason. Sorry. Any fool can be a parent, but you need a license to go fishing. Go figure.

Comments like yours leave no room for your position to not be the right answer.

Let's see....vaccinations create a herd immunity among society making everyone safer from diseases that used to savage the population. Doesn't sound controversial to me at all. Let's try again....there are no benefits to drinking raw milk vs. pasteurized milk so taking on that risk isn't rational. Again, not all that controversial. You see it that way, but that's only because you're being emotional.

Do you think the CDC and government in general are right all the time and generally care about each person’s individual welfare? I don’t.

The facts are what they are. You can either choose to accept them or deny them. Either way, I really don't care. If you had some information to refute the information from the CDC, you'd offer it. I disagree with the CDC, the FDA, the USDA, the NIH, the NAC, the IOM, the FBI, the CIA and many other government agencies all the time. But when they're right, I admit it. I don't bash them simply because they're government agencies. Sometime they're right. A rational person can admit it when they do happen to get it right, right?

The fact is, we could go back and forth all day with research that shows vaccines are completely safe and research that shows they’re not

You're making stuff up again. I never said vaccines were completely safe. No one else did either. You're the only one making that claim. I do remember saying that all medicines come with risks and benefits. You should be careful when erecting such large straw men, they could topple and crush you.

But I detest the “if it’s good for one, it’s good for everyone” attitude that so many people have towards vaccines and medicine.

Whatever. If you do take issue with what the experts are telling you don't you think you should base that decision on something other than the anti-science offered by a guy like Dr. Sears? I mean, it is your family we're talking about here.

immature immune system of a 2 month old should not be subjected to 8 vaccines in one visit (as the CDC schedule calls for) it’s their prerogative to weigh the risk/benefit and decide what they think is best.

Did you see the photo of the two month old suffering from tetanus in the article I linked? Click on a youtube video of a young child suffering from pertussis. If you're going to take that risk with your child, you should probably have something more than the advice of internet charlatans and book sellers to base your opinion on. The experts are lined up against your kind of thinking. But you go on believing you know more than they do. You will, unfortunately, always have plenty of company.

127 posted on 11/04/2011 3:02:41 PM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Mase

There are studies that show a benefit of raw milk over pasteurized. And there are studies that show that pasteurized milk is bad for you. As I said, when I did drink raw milk I got it from a trusted source that I know did appropriate testing, as everyone should do if they choose to drink it. All you seem to want to do is ridicule people that don’t drink pasteurized like you do.

The CDC can’t get the easy things right, how many times have they changed the Food Pyramid. Do you think it’s appropriate for every person to have 6 - 11 servings of grains every day? Some people can’t tolerate that much. One size does not fit all. There are also experts who have analyzed the data and say there are issues with vaccines. And it seems that there have actually been no studies on combining vaccines, just the individuals. I’ve never read Dr Sears book, so I don’t really know what he has to say. I’ve read some of Dr. Mercola, but have found you have to take some of what he says with a grain of salt. He does have products he wants to sell, but in this case I don’t see how it benefits him to warn people of the potential dangers of vaccines.

No, vaccines and herd immunity in general aren’t controversial. You keep saying that you never said that vaccines were completely safe, but you don’t seem to be willing to admit that not everyone should receive them. That’s when things become controversial. Have you seen the pictures of babies that are suffering from vaccine reactions? I’m not anti-vaccine, I do have issues with a 2 month old getting loaded up with 8 different vaccines at one appointment and other similar schedules at different ages.

I’m curious if you have been re-vaccinated? Otherwise you’re basically walking around unvaccinated and putting the population at risk. Bacterial vaccines in particular are effective for only a few years. So you, in fact, could be a pertussis carrier and spreading it around. Have you re-vaccinated? If not, why?


130 posted on 11/04/2011 4:20:33 PM PDT by Roos_Girl (The world is full of educated derelicts. - Calvin Coolidge)
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