Posted on 11/02/2011 9:26:01 AM PDT by Kevmo
Then can we expect the detractors to be more polite? I thought not.
1) I would prefer to be someone who proves it works.
2) I know it doesn't work and never will.
3) I have no desire to attain some weird form of fame debunking this 'device'.
4) I don't want people to know who I am, I prefer anonymity.
5) Shelling out over $5k for a device I know is fake is foolishness. Sooner or later, it will end up in the hands of someone neutral who we hope will provide an accurate test.
You're so sure, you kick down the money and prove it works, fame and fortune await...
WW, you said, Enrico Fermi was able to determine the yield of the Trinity test to within 5%?? with just a stopwatch and confetti? ***Yes, that is the case. First of all, really, you’re mentioning Enrico Fermi and Rossi in the same breath? ***One brought us “death, the destroyer of worlds” and the other appears to have brought us a new energy source that would SAVE lives, not take them.
You seem to forget something, Oppenheimer's quote was after the explosion, ample proof it worked.
If and it's and enormous if, Rossi's device does work, comparing him (Rossi doesn't know 1/100 of what Fermi knew) is apples and carburetors. Rossi is an inventor, you could have used Edison, he was an inventor as well as a d-bag in the long run, ask Georges Méliès and Tesla to name a few.
I'm not the one with the nerve to compare Rossi to Fermi. I'm not arguing personalities, I'm arguing reality. Fermi was an excellent scientist, no one disputes this. Rossi's mail order degree is fake so no soup for you there.
I am pointing out that it is an appeal to authority to mention the two in the same breath, I consider it a sacrilege.
Besides, this is the 21st century, Firmi’s method worked for then but you wouldn’t use it now, would you stand outside a nuclear blast? ***Invalid analogy. Comparing the known past to the unknown.
Read that line slowly, Fermi used a quick and dirty calc on the back of an envelope. No excuse to use the same method today, besides having instruments to do it, it's rather unsafe to stand outside in fallout. Look at how old Fermi was when he died.
Has anyone seen a voltage and current meter on that 500KW generator that was hooked up? ***Argument from silence. Yes, but whose silence? How hard would it have been to rectify the output so the heaters received DC. The heaters couldn't have cared and it makes power calculation extremely simple with only a ammeter and a voltmeter. If you notice, Rossi uses clip on ammeters, they only work on A/C. The problem with A/C is that the calculations are easy to misinterpret while with DC, you only need basic math.
The article I saw was that he was considering selling shares, that screams SCAM.
One other thing, I thought the Oct 28th test was at Rossi’s factory, now I’ve read it took place at the University of Bologna, an appeal to authority, how nice. ***Majoring on the minors. This detail wouldn’t turn the tide one way or the other.
Yet, this is another place where Rossi gives more than one answer to the same question. When people lie, they have to keep the lies straight. When you're a pathological liar, the lies are so many and intertwined, it only takes one to bring the whole fraud down. Finally, again, to the challenge, what and who would we consider as a valid test?
I don't want people to go away with the wrong opinion. I think Rossi, is a 3 time scammer, the E-Cat is another scam in the Dennis Lee and Joseph Newman mold.
Where oh where is the E-CAT Rossi bragged he used to heat his factory for two years? It seems he sold that factory, what happened to the E-Cat. If you're honest and look at Rossi's history, he supposedly had another device but when it came time to test it, the factory burned down and he was only able to produce device that were 1/100 the power of the ones he was crowing about. Aaaand, those devices showed nothing special.
I consider it a sacrilege.
***Science versus scientism. One is an acknowledged religion here on FR, with protections under the caucus rules by the Religion Moderator. If you feel so strongly about this subject that you would use such religiously edged language, then you might consider moving subjects like this to a scientism thread where such ‘sacrileges’ are not allowed.
No excuse to use the same method today
***Sure there is. Rossi isn’t doing this for scientific proof. He’s doing it for business. It’s a completely different realm of operation.
Yes, but whose silence?
***In this case, the customer’s. If he was too stupid to see such an obvious problem, then his €2M was poorly spent. Arguing from the silence is a logical fallacy. You can’t argue that George Washington was gay because he was silent on the subject of gays.
Finally, again, to the challenge, what and who would we consider as a valid test?
***As I stated before, I posted a thread to that effect and the whole thread was yanked. It’s probably best to keep it incremental and simple. For instance: A major publication with more than 1M readers will announce evidence that Rossi’s demos are faked by December 1 2011, as determined by ___fillintheblank___ freeper whom we both agree as arbiter. But we probably won’t come to terms because of what I stated on the thread that was pulled — basically I like having bragging rights from the time I got the contracts listed at Intrade and put my money where my mouth was, and got money in my pocket as a result. If the bet is just about who’s going to give money to FR, then I won’t have what I had the last time around, which is money in my pocket as well as the bragging rights.
1) I would prefer to be someone who proves it works.
***Same here, but truth is truth.
2) I know it doesn’t work and never will.
***Faith position. If you’re so sure of it then prove it and put up the dough to prove it.
3) I have no desire to attain some weird form of fame debunking this ‘device’.
***Then wait for someone else to do it.
4) I don’t want people to know who I am, I prefer anonymity.
***Anonymity is the spiritual foundation for all... oops, wrong program. I suppose there are ways to do it anonymously if that’s important to you.
5) Shelling out over $5k for a device I know is fake is foolishness.
***That’s because you do not have that desire mentioned earlier. So, someone else will have to make a name for themselves. As for me, I’d shell out $5k for one of these devices tomorrow. But Rossi isn’t letting them out the door for less than €2M.
Sooner or later, it will end up in the hands of someone neutral who we hope will provide an accurate test.
***It is in the hands of someone neutral already — Rossi’s customer, unless this conspiracy theory is “so wide, so vast” that it will pop like a big balloon very shortly.
You’re so sure, you kick down the money and prove it works, fame and fortune await...
***I’d love to. I do not have €2M but I would kick down $5k in a heartbeat.
That's lovely, but I'm not paying anything to prove anything.
2) I know it doesn’t work and never will. ***Faith position. If you’re so sure of it then prove it and put up the dough to prove it.
I am backing my opinion on science, while I have faith, it's has nothing to do with this scam. From what I've read, you don't understand the science on why it will never work.
Black Light Power has trying to do the same thing and they've spent millions. their owner and idea man, Randall Mills at least has a diploma from both Harvard , as an MD, and a degree in chemistry from Franklin & Marshall College. Nevertheless, they still have nothing although they are attempting to come up with the theory. Keep in mind other theorists say it's impossible.
3) I have no desire to attain some weird form of fame debunking this ‘device’. ***Then wait for someone else to do it.
Say Halleluiah brother! That's my point, we need to agree on what constitutes a valid test and that will determine the outcome of a wager or two with all proceeds going to Freerepublic. If you're right, Rossi doesn't need our money as he's solving the worlds energy crisis, a task that I assume pays well.
4) I don’t want people to know who I am, I prefer anonymity. ***Anonymity is the spiritual foundation for all... oops, wrong program. I suppose there are ways to do it anonymously if that’s important to you.
a) If this thing is real and we open it up, what if it's radioactive?
b) What about the self destruct mechanism Rossi laughably says he's going to install?
5) Shelling out over $5k for a device I know is fake is foolishness. ***That’s because you do not have that desire mentioned earlier. So, someone else will have to make a name for themselves. As for me, I’d shell out $5k for one of these devices tomorrow. But Rossi isn’t letting them out the door for less than €2M.
I don't want my name to go down as someone who was foolish enough to get swindled by Rossi. You however, knock yourself out.
Sooner or later, it will end up in the hands of someone neutral who we hope will provide an accurate test. ***It is in the hands of someone neutral already — Rossi’s customer, unless this conspiracy theory is “so wide, so vast” that it will pop like a big balloon very shortly.
Sorry, pass, no sale. Unless his super duper secret customer will allow their testing results to be published, which I doubt for two reasons, 1) Because they would want to keep its functionality secret and two, I believe the customer is a shill.
You’re so sure, you kick down the money and prove it works, fame and fortune await... ***I’d love to. I do not have €2M but I would kick down $5k in a heartbeat.
Gather a group of suckers.
In the immortal word of Sammy Hagar on 5150, "You were a sucker...".
I am backing my opinion on science, while I have faith,
***And I am backing my opinion on science as well. For instance, as of 4 years ago the Pons-Fleischmann effect has been replicated more than 14,700 times. It’s amazing how non-scientific the comments are from the squawkish feathery detractor brigade when that fact is discussed.
Then you should have no problem linking to ten of these 14,700 successes?
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