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Posted on 10/31/2011 2:35:20 PM PDT by LonelyCon
Interesting.
I basically agree with you. I’m just a little slower coming around.
I agree he’s toast. This is what you get when you back an unknown who hasn’t been vetted. He’s going to sink like a rock as his amateur staff flails around trying to come up with a plausible story that won’t make him look bad.
I suggest to begin with they tell him to ditch the black cowboy hat. He looks like a pimp or a hood or a third rate used car salesman or drug dealer in that thing.
9-9-9 is going to be a footnote in the 2012 campaign as will Herman Cain.
I said whether he knew about the particulars or not, he sure knew about the complaint.
It comes out now that his campaign knew this was coming for ten days after Politco contacted them about it. Pee poor damage control by Cain and his team. They should have been out front, held a news conference, laid out their version of story as known by them and preempted the story early on.
Whenever a liberal is accused of sexual harassment, then many conservatives assume it’s automatically true. But whenever a conservative is accused, then it’s automatically a “witch hunt.” Huh?
Conservatives (and I don’t believe Cain is really that conservative) are capable of sexual harassment too. In fact, I believe Clarence Thomas was lying through his teeth.
I see no reason to simply brush off the charges. They could well be true. And Cain doesn’t seem that honest to me. He was very mealy-mouthed about his views on abortion. So now he just can’t “remember” if there was a settlement?
Personally, I don’t think it really helps the media to go after Cain—Romney (who I’m not crazy about) is the one who benefits the most, and he is more electable anyway.
If Cain is innocent of harassment, then I hope the smoke clears. But if he’s guilty as charged, then I hope his candidacy sinks like a rock.
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I duntno...wonder if the old boy still keeps the rust off with Olive Oyl?
Let's see...it wasn't handled the way Clinton's thugs handled the "Bimbo Eruptions." They threatened women and, in one case, killed a pet dog.
Could be they paid an accuser to go away. It's not an ideal policy; but it's common.
I think he survives this. He can stay in long as he likes. Truth is as long as he’s in the race we will be saved from Romney’s vision of Progressive Hell for America.
I'm still with Perry but we have to do what we can to defend Cain when the SOBs try to take him out.
You do realize that you are making a solid case for Cain to not be elected to the most powerful position in the free world.
Although his campaign just said he was going to attack the other conservatives in the race, and leave Romney alone. Didn’t even mention Obama.
At least you got that right, as opposed to those who said he just didn’t know the details.
It’s just a remarkable turnaround to go from “was not aware of a settlement” to “I remember my counsel telling me” about the settlement.
Unless he means “I remember my counsel telling me TODAY about the settlement, which would be a bizarre way of saying “I talked to my counsel today and he told me”.
Normally, “I remember” means it was something in the past; which could mean that this morning he didn’t remember, but now he does.
Because it is Cain, he won’t get attacked much here for it — but you must remember how much fun we all had attacking Hillary Clinton for saying she couldn’t remember the Rose Law Firm records. Rush even played that Shanklin song about it over and over again.
Based on what you say? Age? How old was Ronald Reagan in 1980? Memory starts to deteriorate at age 40. So no one over 40 should run?
But there are couple of attribute in human beings which actually gets better with age...judgement and vision. Those require a lot of life experiences to develop properly. And those attributes are much more important in a president than memory.
Heck, my computer remembers a whole lot more than me, but it can’t make judgements worth a darn. And it has zero vision.
Which reminds me that when the Post did that crap with the rock, Herman Cain was right there accusing Perry of being insensitive for not doing something about the rock.
I would note that Perry doesn’t seem to have said anything about Cain being insensitive to these women. In fact, the campaign has specifically said they will say NOTHING about the allegations.
If he was told today, he would have said “I was told today”. If you were told something today, would you phrase it as “I remember my counsel telling me”? That would be something I’d say at work when I’m pretending to be a dottering old fool.
And if they could get information in 10 hours, why didn’t they get that information to him a week ago, once he knew the story was coming out?
I know there are a lot of Palin folks very dissappointed that she isn’t running. Cain is no Palin. Palin was an experienced, veteran political professional.
She has served in public positions or running for office for the past 19 years, starting in 1992 (interestingly, she was 28, seven years younder than Perry was when he entered politics). She served 4 years as a legislator in the city council, and then served 6 years as mayor, 2 years as the oil/gas chair, then ran for and won a governorship, and then ran for VP, then spent two years using public speaking engagements as part of a possible 2012 presidential run that she just decided against last month.
I know now it is suddenly popular to rail against professionals and experience, but only I guess because Palin decided not to run.
What is the "lie" being fabricated here? Politico reported that there were women who claimed sexual harrassment. Cain has now verified that to be true. They said the women filed a complaint. Cain has acknowledged a complaint. Politico said there were unspecified acts Cain did; Cain has now described at least one act. Politico said there was a settlement; Cain has now admitted there was a settlement.
The only thing in dispute is the veracity of the charges the women filed back in the 1990s. But it would be absurd to argue that ANY current political figure was smart enough to get women to falsely accuse Cain back in the 1990s, so they could use it today.
So any fabrication was done in the 90s, and the story being told today has been largely verified as true by Cain. What is the "Fabrication" that you accuse other republicans of?
Clarence Thomas was accused in a hearing of sexually harassing a woman. That woman had never filed a complaint, and continued to work for him. The only “corroberation” was another woman who CLAIMED Hill had told her about it, but that woman also didn’t say anything at the time.
The story here is that two women actually filed complaints, and got settlements, back in the 1990s, way before Cain was a candidate for anything. Their charges were certainly NOT politically motivated — maybe greed-motivated.
Cain has admitted that there were charges, a complaint, and a settlement, so Politico has been largely vindicated in their reporting, except if you think their story was too accomodating of the charges (I don’t know, because I’ve been ignoring the actual charges since this story broke — I still haven’t read the politico piece, only what people have written here about it — and I’m not talking about the actual allegations).
People are upset that there is a story, but now that Cain has admitted that there was a settlement, it seems absurd to be upset at Politico for reporting the settlement — we’d certainly be upset if we found out some democrat had such a settlement and the media had ignored it.
Well, not quite the way you make it sound. It’s not like he just PICKED Newt for a running mate.
Wow, are you deluded.
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