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AP chief propogandist Seth Borenstein dutifully puts out his article today claiming the BEST project 'proved' global warming is real and that man is to blame.

He pulls out the Koch brothers, and adds in all the usual lies and distortions that global alarmists rely on.

A funny thing happened on the way to tomorrow's conference at which Muller was supposed to be hailed as the man who ended the climate debate. Today's Daily Mail exploded Muller's lies and uses no less than one of his CO-AUTHORS to destroy his credibility.

WUWT and Climate Depot are all over the story as well, and by the time tomorrows conference starts, the questions will be about Muller 'hiding the decline' and releasing papers BEFORE peer review. His credibility has been shot in less than two weeks after he violated scientific norms and release with great publicity his papers.

1 posted on 10/30/2011 8:12:28 AM PDT by milwguy
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To: milwguy

Earth to AP...do your homework.

Check out the temperature graph from that very study you refer to.

Then, take some very, very very elementary statistics (far far about your meager journalist abilities, we know) and see if there’s an upward trend in the last ten years or so.

Then get back to us.


2 posted on 10/30/2011 8:15:50 AM PDT by Da Coyote (Ngs)
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To: milwguy

That is not the issue.

The issue is are humans driving it?

The other issue is if we turn our freedom over to world government will we be saved?


3 posted on 10/30/2011 8:18:00 AM PDT by DManA
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I had to stop reading the article. Propaganda of this scale is mind bending.


5 posted on 10/30/2011 8:20:51 AM PDT by sauropod (William Kristol does NOT choose my presidential candidate!)
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Their time would be better spent trying to find out why obummer’s social security number is bogus.


6 posted on 10/30/2011 8:22:35 AM PDT by New Jersey Realist (America: home of the free because of the brave)
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7 posted on 10/30/2011 8:23:02 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: milwguy

And, a good reconstruction of temperatures back to the 1850’s will show global (or world-wide land) temperatures increased even more since then. So? We’ve been coming out of the Little Ice Age, and going back to “normal” all that time.

Whether global warming was (or even is) real isn’t that fraught a question, that climate change is real is not really an interesting proposition (the earth’s climate is a huge non-linear dynamical system, for it not to change would literally take a miracle in the strong Aristotelian sense of a complete violation of the laws of nature). The only interesting or important question is whether human activity is causing either, and the BEST study shows nothing of the sort.

It’s hardly surprising that AP hacks use Newspeak in which the phrases “global warming”, “climate change” and “anthropogenic global warming” all have identical meanings (meaning that each can be used to mean what it or the other two mean as suits the interests of the left, or the grant-hungry climatologist, at any given moment).


8 posted on 10/30/2011 8:28:55 AM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know. . .)
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An educated man who knows how to conduct research, but didn’t bother to research the cooked dated between professors Michael Mann (U of P) and Phil Jones (East Anglia).

The fact is, these AGW hoaxters know that people see this as complete B.S. This is why their screaming from the rooftops even loader than before. Seen Al Gore lately? This guy is coming unglued. His lively-hood is about to come crashing to the ground. :-D


10 posted on 10/30/2011 8:31:02 AM PDT by Artcore
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Yet he found that the land is 1.6 degrees warmer than in the 1950s.

It was well known, for years, that paved land (roads,highways,driveways, patios, etc.) all retains heat and caused the temperature to be slightly raised.

11 posted on 10/30/2011 8:35:16 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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WaPo Punked by Berkeley Warmist Posing as Skeptic


13 posted on 10/30/2011 8:41:23 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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So 61 years of cow flatulence and automobiles and the best we could do is 1.6 degrees? Gee, what a powerful influence we have on Ma Nature...

And now that it's practically balmy at 49 instead of a chilly 47.4, I think I will wear shorts today. (And fire up the grill.)

14 posted on 10/30/2011 8:52:34 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom ("Get ready for an aberration of historic proportions" ...H Cain.."to correct the last one" MGM)
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These enviroloonies need to give it up and try to find a real job. The taxpayer dollars needed to finance this hoax and scam and to provide high paying government jobs just isn’t there anymore. Sorry guys. Why don’t you stop wasting your time and ours and start updating your resumes.


15 posted on 10/30/2011 9:42:25 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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>>Today’s Daily Mail exploded Muller’s lies and uses no less than one of his CO-AUTHORS to destroy his credibility. <<

As you said, Judith Curry, one of his co-authors, is taking issue with the content of his press release. This is going to be big, as big as both Climategate and the Hockey Stick fraud, because it’s so easy to understand.

In a nutshell, Prof Muller used 10-year averaging to disguise the fact that the land temperature record has been essentially flat for the past 10 years or longer. But the individual data points are available, and people are tearing his analysis (if you could call it an analysis, instead of an obvious propaganda attempt) apart online. And Curry agrees with the critiques.

Furthermore, the AGW meme is that land temperatures should lead ocean temperatures, and this study involves land temperatures only.

The actual point of the BEST study was to aggregate and analyze all of the available land temperature records in an attempt to get one solid data set. Fortunately, the AGW crowd, seeing what they thought was the result they wanted, jumped on board immediately and claimed that the BEST records are, well, the best available now.

And now, ironically, the skeptics will almost certainly agree, since closer analysis supports the skeptic’s side of the argument.

So, everyone agrees that CO2 has increased in the atmosphere over the past several decades, including the last, and it’s the position of the AGW crowd that this should lead to a continuous increase in temperatures, with land temperatures increasing fastest. CO2 increased, but land temperatures have remained flat for at least a decade now, according to data that they were acclaiming a week ago as the best available.

Perfect. This should be the final nail in the AGW coffin, especially since it’s easy to understand the obvious ruse, and so many reporters were taken in by it that some are almost certain to bite back at the hand that fed them the ruse.


16 posted on 10/30/2011 10:09:25 AM PDT by Norseman (Defund the Left-Completely!)
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So Gang Green is at it again. Is temperature going up? Maybe. Is temperature going down? Maybe. Personally, I’m firmly in the camp of Dr Nigel Fox as discussed under item 2 of this article.... http://cagw.mythicalunderworld.com/2011/09/22/global-warming-is-hot/ Is temperature going up? Is it actually possible to tell even with the best research on the planet? Until scientists are prepared to talk about what uncertainty analysis accompanies the numbers they come up with in their research, all conclusions are essentially bunk.


17 posted on 10/30/2011 10:19:03 AM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: milwguy; Nervous Tick; SteamShovel; Tunehead54; golux; tubebender; Fractal Trader; ...
 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

18 posted on 10/30/2011 10:19:57 AM PDT by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: milwguy

I had an argument with a UT nutjob 12 years ago about the rapid rise of temperatures. Well.......................


22 posted on 10/30/2011 10:58:05 AM PDT by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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Scientist (Muller) Who Said Climate Sceptics Had Been Proved Wrong Accused Of Hiding Truth By Colleague:

http://thegwpf.org/index.php?option=com_acymailing&ctrl=url&urlid=1804&mailid=403&subid=1960


23 posted on 10/30/2011 2:23:34 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (999er for Cain.)
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What happened to Professor Richard Muller? He used to be a sceptic and why he suddenly willing to lie about global warming. I’ve seen one of his youtube clips arguing on the skeptic side against climategate supporters


25 posted on 10/30/2011 5:01:53 PM PDT by 4rcane
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A prominent physicist and skeptic of global warming spent two years trying to find out if mainstream climate scientists were wrong. In the end, he determined they were right: Temperatures really are rising rapidly.

I am a long time admirer of Dr, Muller, and am unphazed by this filtered version of what he is going to say.

I will calmly wait to read his own words myself. I know that he knows from reading his previous books and lectures, that he is completely aware of the difference between science speculation and science fact.

Of coirse there has been global warming. That was never the issue and the cause of the endless resulting foodfight.

If Dr. Muller states flatly that global warming is anthropogenic (an impossibility for him) then we can talk further.

27 posted on 10/30/2011 8:44:49 PM PDT by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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Anyone have a list of AGW ex-supporters? A co-worker is touting the “a skeptic became convinced!” line.


29 posted on 11/01/2011 1:27:15 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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