[TexasFreeper2009]

Go Cain

[mazda77]

So much for all of those “confused” Republican voters, especially those who align themselves with the Tea Party movement.

[Dr. Bogus Pachysandra]

This can’t be true! Rove says he’s peaked, and going down!

[marty60]

Yeah the Tea Party threw full support behind Christine O’Donnell and SHE just endorsed Romney.

People need to sober up.

[DJ MacWoW]

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[Grunthor]

Another poll with Cain up big and now the money is starting to roll in.

Guess he really had no chance, huh?/s

[ASA Vet]

Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

[pallis]

Cain is for real, and unlike Romney, he doesn’t flat line below the winner’s mark.

Christine O’Donnell once again demonstrates her inexperience and political immaturity. The progressive establishment isn’t the answer to the left, no matter how slick and experienced the candidate. That slickness is molded from politics and pragmatism, not principles. America has had more than enough of that. Let’s try someone whose politics are a result of his conservative principles and character.

[Paperdoll]

For Romney followers, some info. from the past you should know;

Romney’s Trouble With Truth Extends Beyond Illegal Lawn Care Employees
Posted By AWR Hawkins On October 22, 2011 (2:11 pm) In 2012 Election, Immigration, Politics

Mitt Romney is always quick to lambast other Republicans for being career politicians, as if this is his first rodeo and he is a political newcomer. However, the truth is he’s been in politics for over seventeen years, many of which have been spent appealing to liberals and moderates and fighting to keep from being identified with Ronald Reagan.

Yet the more one goes back and listens to the things Romney’s been saying during his nearly two decades of public service, the more one has to wonder why he thought someone would link him to Reagan in the first place.

For example, while trying to unseat Senator Ted Kennedy in 1994, Romney said:

“I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time that my mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years, that we should sustain and support it. And I sustain and support that law.”

Someone needs to corner Romney on this statement and force him to explain whether he still holds to it in part or in whole.

And on guns, Romney would be a disaster. For example, while trying to the secure the Republican nomination that eventually went to John McCain, Romney appeared on ‘Meet the Press’ with Tim Russert and said:

“I don’t line up 100% with the NRA. I supported the assault weapon ban [as governor].”

And he went on to explain that he supported the Brady Law in its original form.

What I’ve learned by listening to Romney is that you have to be aware of the fact that he thinks well enough on his feet to slip past troublesome topics and seize on others more favorable to his ambitions. This lets him get away with telling a few half-truths (or half-lies, depending on how you like to frame it).

For instance, when Rick Santorum called him out on Romneycare in the debate Tuesday night, Romney moved to cut him off by saying, “This is something that was crafted for Massachusetts.” In other words, Romney’s response was that his plan was a state plan and was meant to be nothing more.

So Santorum followed up: “That’s not what you said [in your book].” And to this, Romney first denied he’d said such a thing in his book, then reiterated a slightly different version of his first answer, and then acted somewhat aghast that Santorum would dare tell him what he wrote in his own book.

All the while, the truth is that in his book Romney wrote, “We can accomplish this same thing for everyone in the country.”

Speaking of the last debate, one of the most revealing moments came when Gov. Rick Perry called Romney out for hiring illegal aliens and allowing them to work his property. Somewhat aghast (once more), Romney looked at Perry and said “I don’t think I’ve ever hired an illegal in my life.”

Quick side note: When Romney said “I don’t think I’ve ever…” instead of “I know I’ve never…” it was clear that he had something to hide. So I watched carefully, hoping that Gov. Perry would hang on for dear life because he had obviously latched onto something that Romney didn’t want to discuss.

And sure enough, Perry stuck with the topic and within a few minutes Romney admitted he’d hired a lawn company to work on his property and that the lawn company had employed illegal aliens without his knowledge. In other words, Romney had at least indirectly hired illegal aliens and they had worked his property just as Perry suggested.

Moreover, in 2007 when Romney was making that first run for the Republican presidential nomination, a Boston Globe investigation forced him to admit he had re-hired the illegal aliens after supposedly telling them they couldn’t do work on his property. This is something else Perry asserted and Romney denied during Tuesday’s debate.

The bottom line: Romney has a problem telling the truth. And when he does tell the truth, conservatives should have a problem with many of the positions he takes (and has taken) on the issues.

Not only is he not a conservative, he’s nowhere close to being one.

Article taken from Big Government - http://biggovernment.com
URL to article: http://biggovernment.com/awrhawkins/2011/10/22/romneys-trouble-with-truth-extends-beyond-illegal-lawn-care-employees/

[Future Useless Eater]

The polls followed by Real Clear Politics seem to have mostly stopped reporting results since Cain took the lead.

At this point in time, RCP lists 6 national GOP polls completed in the last 14 days, but three of those will expire in the next few hours.
Currently RCP lists: Cain=26.0 Romney=25.0 Spread=Cain+0.5

In a few hours, unless a new poll arrives
... RCP will list: Cain=26.7 Romney=28.3 Spread=Romney+1.7 (based on just 3 national polls!)


But Real Clear Politics does not report or average in the results from the Economist/YouGov polls. I think they should.
These look like legitimate polls, and RCP should especially consider them since the other national pollsters seem to not want to report recent results.

If RCP were to include YouGov polls, The most recent five would look like this...

1st choices:	Date	Sample	Cain	Romney	Gingrich	Perry	Bachmann	Paul	Santorum	Huntsman	Spread
YouGov	10/15 - 10/18	273*GOP	31	21	8	8	4	10	3	3	Cain +10
YouGov	10/8 - 10/11	273 GOP	33	18	9	10	3	7	0	4	Cain +15
YouGov	10/1 - 10/4	273 GOP	21	17	7	10	3	8	1	3	Cain +4
YouGov	9/24 - 9/27	279 GOP	11	15	6	14	4	6	2	2	Romney +1
YouGov	9/17 - 9/20	266 GOP	8	15	7	34	4	11	4	2	Perry +19
2nd choices:	Date	Sample	Cain	Romney	Gingrich	Perry	Bachmann	Paul	Santorum	Huntsman
YouGov	10/15 - 10/18	273 GOP	19	18	14	12	12	4	5	3
YouGov	10/8 - 10/11	273 GOP	16	21	13	14	8	11	4	2
YouGov	10/1 - 10/4	273 GOP	21	17	7	10	3	8	1	3
YouGov	9/24 - 9/27	279 GOP	12	22	10	6	8	5	5	3
YouGov	9/17 - 9/20	266 GOP	7	27	8	17	8	7	4	2
sum 1st+2nd choices:	Date	Sample	Cain	Romney	Gingrich	Perry	Bachmann	Paul	Santorum	Huntsman
YouGov	10/15 - 10/18	273 GOP	50	39	22	20	16	14	8	6
YouGov	10/8 - 10/11	273 GOP	49	39	22	24	11	18	4	6
YouGov	10/1 - 10/4	273 GOP	42	34	14	20	6	16	2	6
YouGov	9/24 - 9/27	279 GOP	23	37	16	20	12	11	7	5
YouGov	9/17 - 9/20	266 GOP	15	42	15	51	12	18	8	4

I find the last table (my own creation) interesting... Gingrich is more favorable (for 1st or 2nd choice) than Perry, and Bachmann is more favorable than Ron Paul.

*The reason for estimating 273 likely GOP voters, is that in recent weeks each poll was of 1000 general population adults, and...
  -The US census says that of the adult population, 64.9% are registered to vote.
  -YouGov only asked those who were registered to vote whether or not they are likely to vote in the GOP primaries or caucuses.
  -And only 42% (of those registered) said they would likely vote in the GOP primaries or caucuses.
  -Only those likely to vote in the GOP primaries or caucuses were asked which GOP they liked... (Romney, Gingrich, Bachmann, Huntsman, Paul, Cain, etc...)
      1000 x 64.9% x 42% = 273 likely GOP voters.

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With TWO most recent YouGov polls included

Much like what the government does with unemployment statistics, the following chart represents a 4-poll "rolling average" for the latest 20+ polls listed at RealClearPolitics.com (plus 2 from YouGov).

I also weighted the polls by their size. For example, a poll with a survey size of 1000 was weighted proportionately heavier than an 324 survey size.

Weighted 4-Poll Rolling Averages of the latest 20+ Polls listed at RCP [as of Oct 24]
plus the "YouGov" 10/18 and 10/11 polls inserted chronologically

Example Methodology		Single Poll Totals			4-Poll Totals			4-Poll Weighted Rolling Average Percentages
	When Taken	Sample	Romney	Cain	Sample	Romney	Cain	Romney	Cain
YouGov	10/15-10/18	273 GOP	57	85	2120	585	591	27.6%	27.9%
AP/GfK	10/13-10/17	431 A	129	112	2120	577	596	27.2%	28.1%
CNN/Opinion Research	10/14-10/16	416 RV	108	104	2173	554	629	25.5%	29.0%
Rasmussen Reports	10/12-10/12	1000 LV	290	290	2093	523	615	25.0%	29.4%
YouGov	10/8-10/11	273 GOP	49	90	1503	327	404	21.9%	26.9%
PPP (D)	10/7-10/10	484 LV	106	145	1621	372	376	22.9%	23.2%
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl	10/6-10/10	336 RV	77	91	2161	470	416	21.8%	19.2%
Reuters/Ipsos	10/6-10/10	410 A	94	78	2475	555	435	22.4%	17.6%
WP/Bloomberg/PSRAI	10/6-10/9	391 A	94	63	2389	516	412	21.6%	17.3%
Gallup	10/3-10/7	1064 A	205	184	2925	626	507	21.4%	17.4%
ABC News/Wash Post	9/29-10/2	650* RV	163	111	2777	614	437	22.1%	15.7%
CBS News	9/28-10/2	324 RV	55	55	2490	535	388	21.5%	15.6%
Quinnipiac	9/27-10/3	927 RV	204	158	2613	574	364	22.0%	13.9%
Pew Research	9/22-10/4	876 RV	193	114	2686	610	277	22.7%	10.3%
FOX News	9/25-9/27	363 RV	83	62	2249	523	185	23.2%	8.2%
CNN/Opinion Research	9/23-9/25	447 A	94	31	2203	509	139	23.1%	6.3%
Rasmussen Reports	9/19-9/19	1000 LV	240	70	2503	535	145	21.4%	5.8%
USA Today/Gallup	9/15-9/18	439 RV	105	22	2048	415	97	20.2%	4.7%
McClatchy/Marist	9/13-9/14	317 RV	70	16	2055	389	97	19.0%	4.7%
CBS News/NY Times	9/10-9/15	747 RV	120	37	2238	410	121	18.3%	5.4%
Bloomberg	9/9-9/12	545 RV	120	22	2141	440	104	20.5%	4.8%
CNN/Opinion Research	9/9-9/11	446 A	80	22	245	82	477	---	---
PPP (D)	9/8-9/11	500 LV	90	40	167	60	344	---	---
ABC News/Wash Post	8/29-9/1	650* RV	150	20	76	20	189	---	---

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[Paperdoll]

Thank you for posting this thread. I am so glad to hear that Cain is still in the lead! They are certainly not talking about it on FOX anymore.

incidentally, in listening to Doug Urbansky last night, he tells about Westwood One merging with something? Globe. They’ve changed all those sickening PSAs, But Urbansky, an ardent Cain supporter, didn’t mention Herman Cain at all, while I was listening to him anyway! Has the edict gone out around the electronic as well as the printed media that Cain’s name is now a NO NO? And just who owns the something? Globe? It wouldn’t be the Mormon Church, would it?

[Paperdoll]

Thank you for posting this thread. I am so glad to hear that Cain is still in the lead! They are certainly not talking about it on FOX anymore.

incidentally, in listening to Doug Urbansky last night, he tells about Westwood One merging with something? Globe. They’ve changed all those sickening PSAs, But Urbansky, an ardent Cain supporter, didn’t mention Herman Cain at all, while I was listening to him anyway! Has the edict gone out around the electronic as well as the printed media that Cain’s name is now a NO NO? And just who owns the something? Globe? It wouldn’t be the Mormon Church, would it?

[Paperdoll]

SRN News just aired part of Perry speakiing for at least 30 seconds, so now they are giving him free commerncials!