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Posted on 10/20/2011 7:56:54 AM PDT by normy
This is a bruising left hook to the Mitt Romney Campaign. Now we know why the seemingly unimportant exchange over the illegal immigrant hiring.
Come on. Everyone knows Perry is just Cains stalking horse.
Please. Cain has no time to waste attacking someone with almost no support. Attacks on Perry by Cain are only in the minds of his (few) thin skinned supporters. Perry is no longer an issue in the campaign, although his attacks on Romney could be useful to Cain.
When Cain was a businessman in Omaha, he was operating in the interest of, I believe, Godfather's Pizza in those years. His political contributions were, as most all political contributions from businesses are, intended to gain access and help establish a beneficial relationship with elected officials. Businesses don't make many political contributions for reasons other than advantages they can bring to the business.
That's part of modern day America, and it is entirely different from an elected official's decision to be a member of one party as opposed to another. We definitely can draw some conclusions about a politician based on the party he's in, and on the presidential candidate he supports.
I suggest you make those distinctions and be more intellectually honest than to equate a businessman's decisions with an elected official's decisions as if each reflects the individual's personal political preferences. We can't necessarily discern a businessman's personal politics from his political contributions, especially those made while the head of a large corporation.
That's the system we have.
Lol, that I was never really with them means I was a teenager and couldn't vote. That I chose to go with the more conservative party around age 20, in the middle of the '60s turmoil, shows that I saw through the noise and uproar of that era and made a decision many, many years sooner than Rick Perry was able to make the same decision. Most southerners were able to make that decision, not just me. And not Rick Perry.
Your post is basically a convoluted and unsuccessful attempt to sugar coat Rick Perry's failure to make the right decision sooner.
Do your recognize that Perry presides over (if it was a nation) the 13th largest economy in the world?!
Might it be that Perry makes decisions "operating in the interest of..." Texas and its best interests? And that it might involve dealing with folks who, in a vacuum, might not appear to fit the purest of conservative models?
Or does Cain get a pass 'cause he's your guy and Perry doesn't 'cause you don't like him?
If you don't like him, that's alright. Lots of folks don't.
But don't hold Cain up as pure, using a ruler you won't let anyone else use.
I really don't understand why this is so hard to understand.
Throw hand grenades at Perry if you like. But don't act like you're doing a straight up, objective analysis of candidates' positions side-by-side.
You're trying to change the entire argument. We were discussing Rick Perry's long membership in the Dim party and his support of Algore in 1988, and Herman Cain's tenure in Omaha as CEO of Godfather's Pizza and the contributions he made to successful Nebraska Dim politicians, during the late '80s and '90s.
Now you're jumping to 2000 and Perry's years as governor of Texas, twelve years after he'd decided to switch to the Republican party.
But whatever, a CEO of a large company will make political contributions in the interest of his company. A politician decides which political party to join in his own interest, i.e., which gives him the best chance to win future elections.
Cain claims he gave money to “moderate” dems in his role as a corporate executive, mostly in Nebraska. It seems to be pretty well documented. Apparently the donations were meant to be helpful to the Omaha based Godfather’s Pizza. This is a well established practice and considered part of the cost of doing business. Perfectly legal.
What I found striking was the money Cain gave to Jose Serrano, a Castro-loving New York Marxist who has one of the most anti-American far left voting records in Congress. Whatever Cain’s reason for throwing money at Serrano, it’s sure a long way from Omaha.
Cain could explain it as just one of his jokes, and it’s high time we Americans got a sense of humor.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/280478/how-does-herman-cain-define-moderate-kevin-d-williamson
I guess you'd include Mr. Cain in that? Or just Perry?
Whatever...
Will88, you're a FReeper. So I love ya, brother.
But you're a moving target and already have your mind made up.
See you around the forum.
God Bless You...
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this is still my favorite Perry ad-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhDhDRvHaGs
BUMP!!
Cain has spent most of his life as a businessman so we don''t have a long history of his political leanings. But if you can't recognize and respect what it takes for a black man to become a successful businessman in American, and then become a conservative politician in America, then you're not dealing with reality.
Rick Perry is an opportunistic politician who checks to see which side the bread is buttered on. And that he was still supporting a Dim for president in 1988, after the Dim party's two decades of anti-American, anti-military policies, after Jimmy Carter, after two terms of Ronald Reagan, well, there is really no way to explain Perry other than that he is an opportunistic politician.
You and other Perry supporters are making some of the most absurd arguments I've ever seen on FR to try and deny Perry's past and even some of his more recent policies as governor.
Perry is a politician; reminds me of Slick Willie, but not as silver tongued. He'd be too much like GWB and John McCain for me, and he'd never be able to shake that widespread border state politician malady known as "Pander to Hispanics". And if the party doesn't resist that temptation, they'll dig their own political grave by ushering in long term Dim majorities.
I hope sure hope Perry can knock Mitt out. Loved the music they used!
“No longer an issue”? Rick Perry? With that mega war chest and those connections?
Underestimating your “enemy” can be a fatal mistake.
Albatrosses - Cain supported Romney in 08
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Supports Romney in 2012, too
CAIN: Well, I would say that Speaker Gingrich and Governor Mitt Romney are the two that I have the greatest amount of respect for. That I would feel comfortable if I did not get it. But I’m, you know, looking pretty good right now, but I have a lot of confidence in the type of job that they would do.
Talk to me a bit about some of the "most absurd arguments" I've made.
Not just ones you personally disagree with...but absurd arguments.
I'm interested in when I've been absurd.
Or maybe, just maybe...you're one of the folks who tend to throw hand grenades at folks who hold different opinions than you personally hold.
I don't think you'll be able to find that true of me.
But have at it...
He had the millions and the Texas conections before and during his slide to the bottom. They didn't stop the slide and they're not going to bring him back up.
The year Perry supported Gore in the primary, was the year Michael Dukakis won the Dem nomination.
Perry went on from supporting Gore to voting for George HW Bush for President, and left the Dems forever after that.
In prior years, in Reagan against Carter and Reagan against Mondale and while still a full fledged Dem, Perry voted for Reagan both times.
This is a voting pattern that millions of Texans share. That were once Dems, now card carrying Republicans.
Many of them would like to have their votes for Dems, while also voting for some Republicans, back. But they can’t have them back, they can only look forward.
These are good people. I know many of them and some of them are related to me. They aren’t that different from Republicans, it just took them longer to sort everything out and overthrow long years of tradition.
Louis Gohmert is a great GOP rep from small town/rural East Texas. But prior to his win there, a Dem held that position forever. The faces would sometimes change, but the party was forever Dem.
Now, that district wouldn’t dream of voting Dem. And they are the same type of people there that have always been there.
Sorry 'bout that, my head is being squeezed with some serious sinus pressure. /whine and cry
He’s been sitting on all of that the whole while, and a PPP poll done weeks before any primary or caucus is essentially meaningless. Political gravity is not only one way.
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