Posted on 10/18/2011 4:37:49 PM PDT by kristinn
Broadcast on: CNN
Broadcast time: 8pm EDT/5pm PDT
The Candidates:
Michele Bachmann
Bachmann is serving her 3rd full term in the U.S. House. Founder of the House Tea Party Caucus, worked as a tax attorney, and was a foster mother for 23 teenagers. She is a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.
Herman Cain
Cain is the former chief executive of Godfather's Pizza and former chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City. He lost the Georgia Republican primary for a U.S. Senate seat in 2004. He was recently the host of Atlanta-based radio show.
Newt Gingrich
Gingrich served as Speaker of the United States House of Representatives from 1995 to 1999. He represented Georgia's 6th congressional district as a Republican member from 1979 to 1999. He has a PhD in modern European history.
Ron Paul
Paul is serving his 11th full term in the U.S. House. He’s an ob-gyn and was Libertarian nominee for president in 1988. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican nomination for president in 2008
Rick Perry
Perry is the three term governor of Texas, from 2000 to current. He is a retired Air Force captain for former farmer. He has a degree in animal science.
Mitt Romney
Romney was governor of Massachusetts (2003 to 2007) and former CEO of Bain Capital, a private equity investment firm. He unsuccessfully sought the Republican 2008 nomination for president. He has an MBA (Harvard) and JD (Harvard Law).
Rick Santorum
Santorum served two terms in the U.S. House and two terms in the U.S. Senate. He became the Senate's third-ranking Republican in 2001. He was defeated for reelection in 2006.
Personally, the “all you mormon haters”, grows weary, name one post where anyone has said they hate mormons - just one!
Either provided the evidence or shut the hell up.
Yea, I can say that because this is America.
“Perry will likely be there should Cain stumble and the rest will be predictable. Romney or Perry.”
Agreed. As much as Newt is kicking it in these debates, I think it’s Romney, Perry or Cain at this point. I like Cain and Perry, despise Romney. The current dynamic makes me slightly nervous though-if Cain and Perry both do well, Romney could slither in with 30% or so of the vote-a la McCain 2008. I really hope either Cain or Perry consolidates the anti-Romney vote. I don’t know which one it will be, but right now I think it’s Cain’s to lose.
As for tonight’s debate: I think Perry did better than he has before, and despite the media spin, I think they drew blood for the first time on Romney. I credit Santorum for going after him hard on Romneycare, followed by Gingrich. Perry’s attack was good too, it showed a lot more passion than I’d seen in the past. I thought a better line of attack might be over climate change, cause this is where they have a clear difference on a very important issue. I hope he will go after Mitt and his carbon caps & questionable associations with environmental radicals in Mass in a later debate.
One thing became even clearer tonight-Michele Bachmann’s only purpose for still being there with a $2 million campaign debt is to be Mitt’s stalking horse. Not only did she not lay a glove on him (again), she kept annoyingly interrupting when Santorum and others were finishing their hard-hitting points. Then, when allowed to speak, she changed the subject. This is just pathetic! Her Mitt lovefest is so over the top that even someone with a Forrest Gump IQ could see it! I wish she would drop out, but Mitt has probably committed to paying her campaign debt if she sticks around for a while.
“Mitt said he never hired any. And I’m satisfied with his explanation. No one can account for every subcontracted employee.”
BS! Romney had the same illegals working at his house for YEARS! The same exact ones. He was caught and said he would get rid of them. A year later...the same damn illegals were there every week. Look it it up, Romney lied.
I lived it too. Mormonism isn’t MOrmons and some are nice and some are jackasses. Most are only nice to gentiles (non-Mormons) to make the LDS church look good and gain potential converts (lived that one too).
However nice a certain Mormon may or may not be, it doesn’t make their religion Christian in any way, nor will it get them to Heaven. Their teachings preclude that.
Most of us love Mormons enough to tell them the truth and to help them escape that cult and come to the Christ of the Bible and before you say our approach doesn’t work, it works quite well, at least 3 faithful Mormons on here and one almost convert that we know about. Also that approach worked with most if not all the ex-mormon freepers on here, including me.
Logic escapes them...
“BS! Romney had the same illegals working at his house for YEARS! The same exact ones. He was caught and said he would get rid of them. A year later...the same damn illegals were there every week. Look it it up, Romney lied.”
I gotta say this is unfortunately the truth. The newspaper found SPECIFIC INDIVIDUALS who were illegals working at his house, he said he would fire them, then these SAME INDIVIDUALS were found to STILL BE WORKING AT HIS HOUSE a year AFTER HE COMMITTED TO FIRING THEM.
In tonight’s debate, Romney said that he did not knowingly employ illegals and said once he was made aware of them, he fired them. That statement is what’s known as a lie, pure and simple.
“Granted, it does so partially by rebalancing the burden to others not in that group and that includes a lot of hard luck cases like seniors on fixed incomes, but there’s an easy solution to lowering that burden: lower spending. And that’s much easier if everyone has some skin in the game, IMO.”
Especially when one is at the gas pump paying twice the sales tax, and buying food, paying twice the sales tax, and paying for clothes, at twice the taxes, and for school supplies, at twice the sales tax, and you can’t buy “used” food, or “used” fuel, or “used” toothpaste. Maybe you could buy a second hand fridge, stove, or toilet to avoid the extra sales tax, but would anyone want to? And what happens to all of the stores that are trying to sell first hand goods, not used? Would they all go out of business? This is the fly in the ointment of Cain’s plan, and as I don’t worry that it would ever pass, it’s sort of a moot point. But believe me, no one in the lower or middle class would like it if it did ever pass, as only the wealthy would be able to afford new goods, and the rest of us would be consigned to the “used” goods category. No thanks.
I’m 85 minutes into seeing the debate (on the replay), and while I’m seeing a Perry with more energy, I’m not seeing his performance as helping his cause.
Some people just can’t debate well.
I am inclined to help Newt, as well as Perry. Newt’s campaign needs it and Rick has the big money if he can sustain better against Romney. Newt is a historian and has a lock box brain on information. I hate to waste an opportunity to keep him on the trail and see what he does. Actually, in all fairness, Newt has been a little lean on policy in the debates, but he and Bachman realize a debate is nowhere to unroll a big platform. They both refer to their website for that kind of detail.
That is true and I like her for that. I guess I was just expecting more from her. TBH, I haven’t watched the other debates since I don’t have a television at home. I only saw it tonight because I am on the road. However, I always follow the debate threads on here.
The best comment of the night was Newt on “Super Committees”
Thanks for replying. For the most part, I have to agree with you. Newt took the blue ribbon tonight in my estimation. Cain is as unpolished as Newt isn’t; yet, they are both at the front, at least in tonight’s circus, of the debate on what needs to happen. Even the girl threw in a few excellent thoughts.
Anderson FRickin Cooper? This spitwad announced his 360 show saying that all the other candidates soundly attacked Cain on his 999 plan, after he, spitwad, set the damned crapfest up.
I want to see Steyn host one of these events. Hell, I’ll volunteer!
I watched the last Republican convention on the night that Sarah Palin was introduced as the VP candidate from a hotel room several hundred miles from my house because we had evacuated from a hurricane that was threatening.
It is when we come to the proposed measures of relief for the evils which have caught public attention that we reach the real subject which deserves our attention. As soon as A observes something which seems to him to be wrong, from which X is suffering, A talks it over with B, and A and B then propose to get a law passed to remedy the evil and help X. Their law always proposes to determine what C shall do for X or, in the better case, what A, B and C shall do for X. As for A and B, who get a law to make themselves do for X what they are willing to do for him, we have nothing to say except that they might better have done it without any law, 'but what I want to do is to look up C. I want to show you what manner of man he is. I call him the Forgotten Man. Perhaps the appellation is not strictly correct. He is the man who never is thought of. He is the victim of the reformer, social speculator and philanthropist, and I hope to show you before I get through that he deserves your notice both for his character and for the many burdens which are laid upon him.
Apparently it has not occured to you that Romney is a RINO (and a flip flopper who will lie and say anything to get what he wants) BECAUSE of his Mormonism, not in spite of it.
Grey and I were both Mormons for many years, we know the ins and outs of their history and doctrine. I almost served an LDS mission but didn’t in part because I was told to lie and omit LDS doctrines when speaking to people because if I told them the truth they wouldn’t join.
We happen to care about the souls of people trapped in Mormonism, and we seek to convert them out of it and into a relationship with the Christ of the Bible (regardless of denomination), with which several of us on here have had much success. If we hated them we would adopt a ‘live and let live’ attitude.
Basic math obviously confuses some people
It also destroys the IRS and the death tax. It becomes a start over and lowers corporate taxes dramatically. It isn’t all about making sure everybody pays less tax since that is what everybody claims and never deliver.
Pray for America
As for newt you stated...”Nancy Pelosi, a couch and global warming ring a bell?”
That’s old news...like many suckered about Global warming, once the science was proven bogus Newt not only backed off, he’s been fighting and opposing it ever sense. Has petitions circulating to oppose it as well.
She also elaborated on it with Greta afterwards.
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