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To: Cruising For Freedom

“Granted, it does so partially by rebalancing the burden to others not in that group and that includes a lot of hard luck cases like seniors on fixed incomes, but there’s an easy solution to lowering that burden: lower spending. And that’s much easier if everyone has some skin in the game, IMO.”

Especially when one is at the gas pump paying twice the sales tax, and buying food, paying twice the sales tax, and paying for clothes, at twice the taxes, and for school supplies, at twice the sales tax, and you can’t buy “used” food, or “used” fuel, or “used” toothpaste. Maybe you could buy a second hand fridge, stove, or toilet to avoid the extra sales tax, but would anyone want to? And what happens to all of the stores that are trying to sell first hand goods, not used? Would they all go out of business? This is the fly in the ointment of Cain’s plan, and as I don’t worry that it would ever pass, it’s sort of a moot point. But believe me, no one in the lower or middle class would like it if it did ever pass, as only the wealthy would be able to afford new goods, and the rest of us would be consigned to the “used” goods category. No thanks.


1,968 posted on 10/18/2011 9:31:01 PM PDT by flaglady47 (When the gov't fears the people, liberty; When the people fear the gov't, tyranny.)
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To: flaglady47
Especially when one is at the gas pump paying twice the sales tax, and buying food, paying twice the sales tax, and paying for clothes, at twice the taxes, and for school supplies, at twice the sales tax, and you can’t buy “used” food, or “used” fuel, or “used” toothpaste. Maybe you could buy a second hand fridge, stove, or toilet to avoid the extra sales tax, but would anyone want to? And what happens to all of the stores that are trying to sell first hand goods, not used? Would they all go out of business? This is the fly in the ointment of Cain’s plan, and as I don’t worry that it would ever pass, it’s sort of a moot point. But believe me, no one in the lower or middle class would like it if it did ever pass, as only the wealthy would be able to afford new goods, and the rest of us would be consigned to the “used” goods category. No thanks.

With all due respect, those people would be feeling the same sting that the people who are paying far, far in excess of 9% of their paycheck are paying. The deck at the moment is so stacked, that someone who makes minimum wage has the same standard of living as a household making $60,000 in certain all-too-realistic circumstances. My sympathy for people who have truly forgotten the Forgotten Man, and are now only just facing the consequences of excessive spending, is limited.
It is when we come to the proposed measures of relief for the evils which have caught public attention that we reach the real subject which deserves our attention. As soon as A observes something which seems to him to be wrong, from which X is suffering, A talks it over with B, and A and B then propose to get a law passed to remedy the evil and help X. Their law always proposes to determine what C shall do for X or, in the better case, what A, B and C shall do for X. As for A and B, who get a law to make themselves do for X what they are willing to do for him, we have nothing to say except that they might better have done it without any law, 'but what I want to do is to look up C. I want to show you what manner of man he is. I call him the Forgotten Man. Perhaps the appellation is not strictly correct. He is the man who never is thought of. He is the victim of the reformer, social speculator and philanthropist, and I hope to show you before I get through that he deserves your notice both for his character and for the many burdens which are laid upon him.

1,975 posted on 10/18/2011 9:40:31 PM PDT by Cruising For Freedom
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To: flaglady47

Ahhh...you still don’t understand how Cain’s plan works.


2,005 posted on 10/18/2011 9:57:49 PM PDT by Rodney Dangerfield (To make a Conservative angry, tell him a lie. To make a Liberal angry, tell him the truth.)
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To: flaglady47
But believe me, no one in the lower or middle class would like it if it did ever pass, as only the wealthy would be able to afford new goods, and the rest of us would be consigned to the “used” goods category. No thanks.

I don't really like the 999 plan - I think that by the time it would finally get around to being passed it would in no way resemble the original plan - BUT - I sell antiques, and if that were true about "used" goods - that would be quite a boon to my business!

Never going to happen though.

2,024 posted on 10/18/2011 10:13:38 PM PDT by alicewonders
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