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Research team suggests European Little Ice Age came about due to reforestation in New World
http://www.physorg.com ^ | 14 Oct 2011 | Bob Yirka

Posted on 10/17/2011 6:43:48 AM PDT by Red Badger

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To: Red Badger
From the reading of their methodology and then their conclusions, it appropriate to say that one is not related to the other. Their conclusions do fit, however, their agenda.
21 posted on 10/17/2011 7:05:51 AM PDT by Rudder (The Main Stream Media is Our Enemy---get used to it.)
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To: MrKatykelly

The good news is that this “study” should drive a stake through the heart of the story that native Americans were living in simple harmony with Mother Gaia.


22 posted on 10/17/2011 7:06:34 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: Red Badger
Oh. The Black Death didn't have any effect? But when the Europeans (mean, nasty, European, whitemens...--/s) showed up, THEY caused the "little ice age"...by making all the indigenous folks who were living in harmony with nature (and whacking heads and chopping out hearts and burning trees) to fall over dead.

Got it.

Hmmmm.

This is so PC, what's not to like?

>Gaaaaack!

23 posted on 10/17/2011 7:07:42 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Red Badger

So to the environmentalist left, Columbus should be a hero. Thanks to Columbus, both global warming and deforestation were halted and reversed, and the “population bomb,” as Paul Ehrlich called the menace of over-population, was defused.


24 posted on 10/17/2011 7:09:40 AM PDT by Fiji Hill
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To: PGR88

“since most estimates suggest that close to 90 percent of the native peoples died or were killed after the Europeans arrived”

That figure was pulled out of a hat, of course. But even if it is true, I might ask, “90 percent of what?” And no one would be able to answer me.

What evidence do these scientists have that the Americas had been deforested before they were reforested only to be deforested again? There were civilizations in South America and varying amounts of agriculture here and there, but weren’t these by and large pastoral/hunter-gatherer people? They weren’t clear cutting to build condos, is what I’m getting at.


25 posted on 10/17/2011 7:11:44 AM PDT by Tublecane
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To: Red Badger
They are saying that the people came, the Indians all died of disease, that caused more trees to grow, which sucked up the CO2, which caused global cooling? Geez.. that's a stretch

Maybe the cooling came from the sun and THEN the people all died.

I suspect if you had a time-lapse movie of the sun it would flicker like a candle over thousands of years time.

26 posted on 10/17/2011 7:13:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: Red Badger

I burn my garbage.


27 posted on 10/17/2011 7:14:27 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: PGR88

Author Charles Mann makes a case for this based on the following;

Early mound builders in the continental US and their like in Central and South America had only stone tools and no draft animals, yet built massive structures in a relatively short period of time (carbon dating.)

For a good read, I’d recommend Mann’s “1491” and “1493” about the Americas before and just after the arrival of Europeans.


28 posted on 10/17/2011 7:15:58 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Red Badger

Sooooo, deforestation is a good thing, then?


29 posted on 10/17/2011 7:15:58 AM PDT by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Vote Republican in 2012 and only be called racist one more time!)
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To: Red Badger

Genghis Khan got a lot of credit recently for his marvelous work in combating global warming through horrendous massacres of conquered peoples.

Want to bet ol’ Chris Columbus gets any similar praise? ‘Cause I’ve got a little money to wager.


30 posted on 10/17/2011 7:18:49 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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To: Red Badger

Johhny Appleseed caused the Little Ice Age.


31 posted on 10/17/2011 7:20:20 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: Red Badger
Another travesty to blame on white European males.
32 posted on 10/17/2011 7:23:09 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: cuban leaf

I don’t, I dump it on Liberal’s front lawns so they can compost it or seperate it for recycle. Just doing my part to make sure they feel good about themselves.


33 posted on 10/17/2011 7:30:02 AM PDT by commish (Freedom tastes sweetest to those who have fought to preserve it.)
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To: Red Badger
So the Little Ice Age is now the fault of those evil European white men.

I think the population estimates for what is now the US and Canada are guesses based on very little information. Definitely a lot of Indians died because of the newly-introduced diseases, but determining the previous population level is hard--and the life expectancy had been low. In Mexico there is better information, showing a dramatic decline in the population after the conquest, but the population density had been a lot higher there.

If there were fewer Indians killing deer, there would have been more deer eating young trees, so would the forests have increased so dramatically?

Did they consider the impact of reforestation in China under the Ming dynasty?

34 posted on 10/17/2011 7:36:49 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: org.whodat

The ecology of North America would not have supported such a number of people? It would have requires dozens of settlements on the scale of Cahokia. In any case, the decimation of the indian population was probably no more than that of the Black Death in Europe.


35 posted on 10/17/2011 8:00:17 AM PDT by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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Correct, that would lead to where are the roads, and farming system to feed all of those people. Population of united states 1850 was 23 million.
36 posted on 10/17/2011 8:06:06 AM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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To: Mr. K
that caused more trees to grow, which sucked up the CO2

Which sucks up more CO2 and puts out more O2?
An acre of trees or an acre of grass land.

37 posted on 10/17/2011 8:10:46 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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In any case, the decimation of the indian population

The article claimed 90% not 10%.

38 posted on 10/17/2011 8:14:23 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: Red Badger

Some people here seem to be having some difficulty separating issues. I agree the study is bogus, but the misconception of pre-Columbian America as a couple of hunter-gatherer Indians roaming through the forest is false. There were massive civilizations in Central America, South America and some southeastern parts of North America (Mississipi). They didn’t grow maize in a forest.


39 posted on 10/17/2011 8:22:52 AM PDT by douginthearmy
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To: douginthearmy

They used ‘slash and burn’ methods, same as the South American native do to this day........when the land wore out, they moved to a new area and repeated the process. The old areas became meadows as they regenerated the land and eventually forests.............


40 posted on 10/17/2011 8:29:11 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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