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Raisin' [a Few Issues for the Purpose of Honestly Vetting Herman] Cain!
The American Thinker ^ | October 16, 2011 | Joseph Ashby

Posted on 10/16/2011 2:32:45 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

"I'm the only problem-solver in the group," Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain told Mike Huckabee in an August Fox News appearance. Well, many candidates bill themselves as problem-solvers. In fact, if we asked any candidate running for any office in the entire country, practically every one would likely define him- or herself as able to solve problems. Yet we know that politicians, as a rule, create and worsen problems rather than fix them.

.....Overconfidence turns the hopeful campaign pronouncements of otherwise successful people into dismal policy. In the end, Americans usually end up with more laws, less freedom, and no money.

The question is what type of problem-solver Cain will be as president......

Examining Herman Cain's record leaves serious questions about which type of problem-solver he is. In a column published October 20, 2008, Cain blamed conservatives' "economic illiteracy" for their opposition to the freshly passed Trouble Assets Relief Program.

"Wake up people!" admonished Cain with typical candor. "Owning a part of the major banks in America is not a bad thing. We could make a profit while solving a problem." Cain goes on to defend Treasury's decision to post-legislatively change TARP to buy preferred stock in banks rather than toxic mortgages. "You got a problem with that?" asks Cain. Apparently he didn't.

Cain reassures "free market purists" that the Treasury's stock purchase is "not nationalization because that would require government to own at least 51% of the entity for an indefinite period of time." (This is a relief, because some of us thought that government would use this foot in the door to force mergers, control salaries, and set lending rules. Oh, wait...)...

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; freemarket; gopprimary; nationalbooktour; vetting
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I'll wait for the usual indignation about having any vetting of Herman Cain, by defecting the thread topic to Gov. Rick Perry, and then make my point.
1 posted on 10/16/2011 2:32:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Everybody and their uncle and aunt knows Cain has turned on TARP like a hot potato. To fail to mention this is to lie by omission.


2 posted on 10/16/2011 2:41:35 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Well, you just did mention it. Would you please post a link for the thread?


3 posted on 10/16/2011 2:46:14 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You're fighting a no win battle with these Perry posters. The last fanatical poster who came close to these two was Choo Choo Willie, the train freak.
4 posted on 10/16/2011 2:50:56 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Herman Cain is full of bluster and gets to hide behind the race card with us. HE is not fairing so well with African
Americans, a lot of retired folks dont care for his 9% national sales tax and he just took a big poke at hispanics but that is another matter.

It sure must be nice to not get hammered on the issues.. I don’t wish to hit Cain unfairly, so let me say that Romney is taking a cake walk.


5 posted on 10/16/2011 2:51:28 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife
a lot of retired folks dont care for his 9% national sales tax

They do not realize that due to elimination of hidden taxes, prices would ease under the Cain plan, and that by more than the 9% they would pay.

6 posted on 10/16/2011 2:58:01 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Recon Dad

Willie Green?
He loved trains to the point of fanaticism.

Now We have the Cain train.


7 posted on 10/16/2011 2:58:09 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Nice try.

The money has been taxed already.


8 posted on 10/16/2011 2:59:30 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Can you refute that prices would ease?


9 posted on 10/16/2011 3:00:26 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Can you prove that they would?


10 posted on 10/16/2011 3:01:51 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; All

Here Cain says TARP was not implemented correctly and he would let the banks fail if it happened now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSm2d6DqkUs&feature=player_embedded#!


11 posted on 10/16/2011 3:01:51 AM PDT by Watchdog85
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To: mylife

Can you prove that they would not?


12 posted on 10/16/2011 3:02:34 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Well since you diverted the thread to perry with you initial post why dont you go ahead.


13 posted on 10/16/2011 3:04:05 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Cain stated on Huckabee Saturday that Social Security would not count as income tax and there would be no tax on any savings plans including 401k’s.

As for the price of goods and services here you go.

Examples of How Taxes are Hidden in the Price of Goods

Americans for Tax Reform (ATR) has calculated several examples of how taxes affect the purchase price of several goods and services. The ATR figures include the impact of all taxes — not just certain hidden taxes — on prices. According to ATR:

• Taxes account for 35 cents of the cost of a $1.14 loaf of bread.

• 18 cents of a 50-cent can of soda go toward taxes.

• 72 percent of the cost of a 750-ml bottle of liquor goes toward taxes.

• Taxes for an $80 hotel room average 43 percent.

• Taxes account for $63.60 of a $159 airline ticket.

• A $153.09 monthly utility bill consists of $39.35 in taxes.

• Over half the cost of a $1.33 gallon of gasoline is due to taxes.22

A 1992 Cato Institute study looked at taxes somewhat differently, calculating how much someone needed to earn to have enough after-tax dollars to purchase several products. The study concluded that a typical worker needed to earn $17,038 to buy a $10,000 car, and $2,556 to purchase a $1,500 computer.

Now look at the cost of that $10,000 car with the 999 plan.
10,000 multiplied by .09 (Business tax)+.09 (Sales Tax)= 10,000 multiplied by .18= $11,800

$11,800 Cains 999 plan
$17,038 current plan

You tell me which one is better.

http://www.ipi.org/ipi%5CIPIPublications.nsf/PublicationLookupFullText/A9A7AA39F78128BB86256AB700627702

So a retiree would only pay for the 9% sales tax compared to the hidden 22% average they pay now.


14 posted on 10/16/2011 3:07:02 AM PDT by Watchdog85
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To: Watchdog85

Horse crap!

You are telling me no one pays 9% more on earnings already taxed and saved?


15 posted on 10/16/2011 3:16:47 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Watchdog85

Weasel words


16 posted on 10/16/2011 3:19:50 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: mylife

Perhaps you should make a rational argument or provide an alternative plan.


17 posted on 10/16/2011 3:22:10 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: mylife

I didn’t make the connection!!!! You know Willie is on this train.


18 posted on 10/16/2011 3:22:48 AM PDT by Recon Dad ("The most important rule in a gunfight is: Always win and cheat if necessary.")
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To: Watchdog85

You show me where Mr Cain exempts current savings from a 9% tax.


19 posted on 10/16/2011 3:22:56 AM PDT by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: Watchdog85

I think your wasting your time


20 posted on 10/16/2011 3:23:17 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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