Great answer. .... TLittlefella
But, the fallacy of those Agitprop claims that I juxtaposed must be illustrated by the map.
So, one more time:
Perry's strategy is EXACTLY the strategy used by Israel along it's southern border. See Post 119.
Posted on 10/15/2011 4:18:53 PM PDT by VinL
Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain said Saturday that part of his immigration policy would be to build an electrified fence on the country’s border with Mexico that could kill people trying to enter the country illegally...
Mr. Cain added that he also would consider using military troops “with real guns and real bullets” on the border to stop illegal immigration.
The remarks were among the most pointed yet by Mr. Cain about illegal immigration, and they come as he is enjoying a surge in national political polls on the back of his victory in a recent Florida straw poll..
It is not the first time that Mr. Cain has floated the idea of an electrified fence. He has told the story many times of a caller to his former radio show who chastised him for talking about building a border fence, saying that such an idea was impractical.
“It’s going to be 20 feet high. It’s going to have barbed wire on the top. It’s going to be electrified. And there’s going to be a sign on the other side saying, ‘It will kill you — Warning.’” At an earlier rally, on the campus of Tennessee Tech University in Cookeville, Tenn., he added that the sign would be written “in English and in Spanish.”
“This nation has always been a nation with wide open doors,” Mr. Cain said at the second rally. “We want to make it easy for people to come through the front door. And we’re going to shut off the back door so you don’t have to sneak into America.”
(Excerpt) Read more at thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com ...
You know I wonder how the US Govt EVER got permission to build the interstate highway system. Think of all those land owners that were in the way. /sarcasm
Yea, and people have crucified Perry over the TTC because they said he was ok with taking Texans land away from them.
He got the drift that Texans were not for that and he put a stop to it.
He also strengthened property ownership rights in Texas, so getting that land from those border landowners will be even harder.
Do you support a border? A sovereign America? Stop making excuses and comparing Americans who do to Hitler. BTW, Hitler Rule invoked. You just lost.
Great answer. .... TLittlefella
But, the fallacy of those Agitprop claims that I juxtaposed must be illustrated by the map.
So, one more time:
Perry's strategy is EXACTLY the strategy used by Israel along it's southern border. See Post 119.
If it worked why are we having this debate now?
I saw lots of migrant workers in Ohio when I was a kid in the 60’s
My idea of border security is not only to build an electrified high barb wire topped fence, but also to create a 20 mile wide military base reaching from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California and move most of our miltary bases to this zone.
“Posse Comitatus does not apply in this situation.”
Thanks. I figured it didn’t apply and this was simply another Romney-bot ruse to tear down Cain.
The Berlin wall was 96 miles. I guess you can make 96 miles of Soviet made wall work. However, a 2000 mile one is quite a gamble in the $billions it will cost to built it. If I were you, I would stay well away from the casinos in Los Vegas.
“Well, in Practical Yield terms, Cain just drove what little hispanic support he may have had to Perry, and pulled ALL of what little black support Perry may have had from him.”
While I don’t agree with you on black support, I also don’t worry much about it. As to Hispanic support, most Hispanics that I know are against open-borders, so I don’t see the rub here.
Where?
Prove it.
Not in Texas.
My husband knows a family with a ranch on the Rio Grande . They don’t have access to 15 acres cut off by the fence. They used to grow hay, graze cattle, hunt there. Luckily, the ranch is large and they still can pay the taxes and bills.
The Patriot Act took pasture with no compensation, no recourse. But they still pay property tax.
I know what he said, but it is making the amnesty supporting crowd come out of the wood work and that is great, but in truth I have no problem with an electric fence. You may cross the first seven foot fence, you will not cross the next one. End of problem good fences make good neighbors.
Wow
You Rock.
Great Post.
Just looking at the original land grants ~ none of them are INTACT. They've been subdivided and sold off to others.
But, never mind that the property lines of any piece of land in America are subject to existing law. I didn't see that any of the Mexican landgrants extended beyond the Rio however, so nobody had a right in Mexico.
Just doing some genealogy this weekend and found that an ancestor with just about half the gold in Europe decided he wasn't happy with his property lines between his little place in Brittany and adjacent French territory.
He obtained a privilege from the King of France to buy some of that land and did so giving him an estate (with thousands of acres of prime artichoke land) that crossed the border.
He was then able to buy materiel in France cheaper than in Brittany and not pay taxes. He could also deliver his vegetable crops to France without customs as well.
Looked like a great deal then they had a war.
That's when he hightailed it to Sweden to try his luck.
What you imagine goes on at national borders simply isn't the same as what happens at the state line. The United States has authority along the border that is not subject to Texas law!
At least the highways work the way they’re supposed to. And they’re patrolled.
Where would you build the fence? On the Mexican side?
(good luck with THAT)
On the Texas side?
Most Texas ranchers are against the fence. It would take away their water rights for their cattle.
In the middle of the river?
Where?
What happens to U.S. land on the south side of the wall? Does it become a de facto part of Mexico?
The University of Texas, Brownsville, discovered recently that plans called for part of its campus to be on the south side of the fence.
Would students need a passport to get to some of their classes?
Officially, the project would cost at least $2.1 billion. But building in remote areas, not to mention legal fights with landowners who don’t want to sell, could send the price soaring.
Well..veal is yummy. But most of the beef that you and I eat are mature cattle.
Perry is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.
The same people who cry "TTC! TTC! TTC!" to damn Perry seem to have absolutely no problem in seizing the ENTIRE RIO GRANDE WATERFRONT and putting it on MEXICO'S SIDE of a Fence.
And the winner of all of this is: Mitt Romney who will walk away with the GOP nomination.
Herman Cain, who is paying attention to book tours instead of winning the primaries, will walk away with millions in book sales, speaking fees and maybe a fat FOX News contract.
Herman Cain is doing nothing more than striving to replace Sarah Palin as the premier conservative speaker while helping Romney win the GOP nomination.
We can not criticize the great Herman Cain.
It will be interesting to see how the media responds to this.
“What he (Perry) said was, that a fence would do absolutely no good in stopping the flow of illegals. AND HE IS RIGHT.”
There are enough examples on this thread (including the Mexican border itself) to prove you’re full of it by making that statement. Have a nice evening.
Hardly.
Every poll of legal Hispanics demonstrates that the community is strongly in favor of securing the border -- by about a 2-to-1 margin. p> The press never publicizes this fact. But my personal experience and Hispanic neighbors fully confirm this.
Anybody who contends otherwise is, with all due respect, ill-informed.
The Republicans would be advised to take a strong stand on closing the border -- it would win them the Hispanic vote. The La Raza faction would bitch and moan and holler, of course. But they are a minority of the legal Hispanic vote.
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