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Posted on 10/14/2011 1:49:41 PM PDT by traviskicks
Not a chance.
No.
I’ve come to terms with some facts recently - Dr. Paul is just such a giant leap for the mindset of most right thinking voters, that this is why he fails to appeal to the mainstream during elections. If the stars align and he ends up being the nominee, I’d certainly pull the lever for him, no question.
Right now I am leaning Cain. He’s the only one polling high who is proposing an elimination and total dissolvement of some federal agencies (EPA, Dept of Ed to name two) as well as an overhaul of most of the rest. The tax code overhaul is something we deseperately need done as well. There is more of a ‘baby step’ approach needed to win over the really cement-minded voters because the numbers of them that are needed to win elections just have mental-trouble with the ‘burning the box and starting over’ approach like Paul would rather than just thinking outside of it.
I’m not sure yet where he’s going to fall on certain social issues, but this election is less about those and more about stopping the gushing water that’s currently driving the ship under. I listened to him on the radio for long enough that his time spent at the KC Fed doesn’t concern very me much. I think his monetary policy will be sounder than Obama’s. He seems to have the right ideas about defense vs. offense as far as the military, but there is where he has no record to evaluate, so somewhat of a leap of faith.
I guess I’ve lost a bit of my purity as I age ;) But we’ve got to turn this around somehow, and Romney/Perry ain’t it. And Rand isn’t running :)
ya, im not opposed to Cain, from what I know now I think he would be a great POTUS. We’ll see where he stands on things definitively I guess as things go on.
I’m still working for purity tho :)
If nothing else, at least the other candidates will steal Paul’s ideas if he does well in the primaries. (as they have doing with the FED etc..)
Yeah, I’m feeling the same. I’ve been an anarcho-libertarian for some years now, after being introduced to Austrian Econ, Rothbard, etc.
Consequently, I began to ignore politics in general, seeing it as something fatuously futile. But after enduring the recent torrent of crap from the last 3+ yrs, Cain piques my interest.
I didn't like Cain's Federal Reserve history, but so what, no one's perfect. Cain supported TARP, but says, "I didn't like the way they implemented it" -- ehhhh---I didn't like that at all, but still not a deal-breaker although I know it should have been.
Then I looked at the numbers on Cain's 9-9-9 plan. If you are making under $60K, you'll be paying a lot more taxes. If you are above $250K you'll be paying lots less. His corporate tax rate is on gross -- not net -- income, which means that wages paid employees are NOT deductible, so that's a disincentive for employers to hire more people. In California, anything from food to clothes will carry a whopping 18% sales tax, when you combine Cain's 9% to State and Local sales tax. The 9% sales tax part of Cain's plan, is the American equivalent of Europe's VAT tax -- something that most US economists have been fighting against for years.
From what I and the Tax Foundation can see, most of the middle class and below would get walloped with the taxes from Cains plan and the well-off would do much better.
Then, in the last debate, Cain lied -- big time -- when he answered Ron Paul's question to him when even a partial audit showed $16T in loans, 1/3 of them to foreign banks. I didn't want to believe it, but I really think that Cain is the Bankster's candidate -- just like Romney is the Coproratists' candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if they've already made a deal to choose each other as VP, dependent on which one wins. If that happens, say good bye to smaller government forever.
interesting... yea we are better off supporting Paul.. we’ll see how long cain’s ‘surge’ lasts....
What? Such as supporting Code Pink activist candidates for Congress?
Under the “Sustainable Defense Task Force” plan advanced by the so-called “odd couple” of Reps. Ron Paul (R-Tx.) and Barney Frank (D-Ma.), the U.S. Navy would be cut to 230 combat ships (from a planned number of 313). Under President Reagan, the U.S. had come close to achieving a 600-ship Navy.
Other proposals include:
•Reduce the U.S. nuclear arsenal.
•Slash spending on missile defense and space.
•Retire two Navy aircraft carriers and two naval air wings.
•Reduce F-35 fighter procurement by 220 aircraft.
•Cancel or delay the Joint Strike Fighter.
•End procurement of the MV-22 Osprey.
Rep. Frank, one of the most left-wing members of Congress, created the “Sustainable Defense Task Force” that came up with the cuts and worked in cooperation with Reps. Paul, Walter Jones (R-N.C.), and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.). Their plan is designed to serve as a model for Obama’s proposed cuts.
The “left-right coalition” making up the membership of the group included people from the Center for American Progress and the Cato Institute, both of them funded by George Soros. Another member came from the pro-Marxist Institute for Policy Studies.
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/ron-paul-helps-obama-slash-national-defense/
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