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"Cain Vaults to Lead in Poll" : WALL STREET JOURNAL
Wall Street Journal ^ | 13 October 2011 | Neil King and Jonathan Wiseman, WSJ

Posted on 10/12/2011 6:07:16 PM PDT by AmericanInTokyo

Subtitle: Ex-Businessman Passes Perry, Romney Among GOP Voters.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; cain; cainfrontrunner; conservative; frontrunner; hermancain; nomittzone; obamafail; president; primaries; teaparties; teaparty
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To: lquist1

The Bush (41) people were VERY pompous in 1980, but Reagan and the Grassroots showed them a thing or two. Yes, they do live in a bubble, detached from greater GOP Reality. Well put.


81 posted on 10/13/2011 1:45:38 AM PDT by AmericanInTokyo (To all good FRiends who supported Gov. Palin. I never badmouthed her. Please now join us w/ MR. CAIN)
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To: not2worry

Bor is of about the same caliber as Ted Baxter but Ted was much better looking.


82 posted on 10/13/2011 5:07:35 AM PDT by RipSawyer ("IDIOCRACY" is a documentary of current conditions in America.)
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To: WOSG
You really can't measure a candidate according to how they manage the professional campaign people. That's because it is all too easy to pick up one of them who is mentally ill, actually working for the Democrats or another candidate, or who is simply dishonest.

So, no, that's not a good method at all.

85 posted on 10/13/2011 11:09:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WOSG
And no, Romney would not be a Reagan or Eisenhower style "delegator". He sniffs a popular issue and invariably gets his hands in it personally ~ and he's usually on the wrong side.

That's why he can't break that aggregate 20% level. People sense this about the man whether they can articulate it or not.

But my comparison was to Eisenhower, not Reagan.

86 posted on 10/13/2011 11:21:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WVNan
If you look at the charts that've been so graciously provided by other Freepers you'll see that 4 years ago Romney was tooling along at like 14% and then Giuliani dropped out. Romney shot to 22/23% ~ right where he's at today.

We could easily presume that Romney represents the Giuliani interest group within the Republican Party.

He also represents the Romney interest group.

Each one, by itself, is a minority. Both together are still a minority. Perry has 11% more "to give" and we have a couple of other Conservative candidates there, and if they give it all up CAIN HAS A MAJORITY OF REPUBLICAN VOTES ALREADY!

87 posted on 10/13/2011 11:27:42 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Oatka
Hmm, 401(k)'s? Are you aware of how the current retirement system for Congresscritters is structured?

You should look it up. Check out Office of Personnel Management's website. Look up Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS).

88 posted on 10/13/2011 11:32:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DaveyB
The thing that will keep the Democrats OUT of the Republican primaries is simple ~ they have 23 Senators up for deselection. All their incumbents will have their own primary battles since they are being looked at by the public as "poisoned meat" ~ which always brings the scavengers to the fore.

Take a look at what's happening to the wholey execrable Senator Luger ~ every Democrat senator running faces the exact same thing. They'll be begging their factions to vote in the Democrat primaries.

89 posted on 10/13/2011 11:37:46 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AmericanInTokyo
"The Bush (41) people were VERY pompous in 1980, but Reagan and the Grassroots showed them a thing or two. Yes, they do live in a bubble, detached from greater GOP Reality. Well put."

I heard Jeb Bush on the radio this morning and he is a really big Romney fan.

Only one thing disturbs me & I think we ALL need to send Cain the message that we are very disappointed that he went on record saying that he would consider being Romney's V.P.

Why give the RINO Romney any respectability!!!! Cain needs to reconsider this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

90 posted on 10/13/2011 12:08:19 PM PDT by LADY J ( Change your thoughts and you change your world.. - Norman Vincent Peale))
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To: muawiyah

Romney looks up to Eisenhower. But doesnt mean Romney would be another Eisenhower.

But for us conservatives, Eisenhower was a disaster.

It’s Romney’s RINO-ism not his management style that makes him unpalatable to conservatives.


91 posted on 10/13/2011 2:35:20 PM PDT by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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To: muawiyah

” You really can’t measure a candidate according to how they manage the professional campaign people.”

Oh yes you can!

“... That’s because it is all too easy to pick up one of them who is mentally ill, actually working for the Democrats or another candidate, or who is simply dishonest.”

... this is true of cabinet picks, White House advisors etc. The MOST IMPORTANT JOB OF A PRESIDENT IS STAFFING. If you cant hire well, you will not be a good President. Period.

Bachmann even before campaign was notorious for staffing issues. She would be a poor President on that front, or at least have a ‘learning curve’.


92 posted on 10/13/2011 2:46:35 PM PDT by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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To: muawiyah

” You really can’t measure a candidate according to how they manage the professional campaign people.”

Oh yes you can!

“... That’s because it is all too easy to pick up one of them who is mentally ill, actually working for the Democrats or another candidate, or who is simply dishonest.”

... this is true of cabinet picks, White House advisors etc. The MOST IMPORTANT JOB OF A PRESIDENT IS STAFFING. If you cant hire well, you will not be a good President. Period.

Bachmann even before campaign was notorious for staffing issues. She would be a poor President on that front, or at least have a ‘learning curve’.


93 posted on 10/13/2011 2:46:42 PM PDT by WOSG (“Legion of Acceptibility”)
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To: muawiyah

That’s a pretty big IF. Maybe Michelle, but I doubt Perry will withdraw. Don’t know about Santoram, he may be hoping for a breakout if Bacmann quits.


94 posted on 10/13/2011 4:03:21 PM PDT by WVNan (!)
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To: behzinlea

A good percentage of Romney’s supporters are disaffected Democrats.


95 posted on 10/13/2011 4:05:51 PM PDT by Eva
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To: WOSG
Picking folks for a campaign staff is not at all comparable to picking folks for a cabinet. First of all none of your campaign staff are going to go before the US Senate for interrogation and abuse first.

For instance do you have the slightest idea who A.B. Culvahouse was?

Jeff Larson is another prominant name. Steve Schmidt played a part in recent history ~ as a campaign aid. Then we have the slightly more famous George Stephanopoulos and Scott McClellan.

All of these people proved to some degree or the other to be incapable of doing their jobs, and in the end trashed the very people they were supposed to help. To the degree they wrote books every single one of them proved to be LESS THAN HONEST.

So, what'd I say?

96 posted on 10/13/2011 4:41:28 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: WOSG
Eisenhower's selection pushed aside Robert Taft of course, but by today's standards he would not be sufficiently Conservative. He rejected foreign intervention ~ without respect to American interests.

That would not go over well at all with the "winning margin" in today's Reublican electorate so he would have had to have cowtowed to the Democrats like some sort of milch cow to get enough votes to win. He'd probably propose something like the Obama administration as the feel good solution.

He'd remind you more of Ezra TAFT Benson (one of his Mormon relatives) than of Ronald Reagan.

Looking at the politics of the time and the relative orientation of the broad masses of voters Eisenhower's time in office is demonstrably more Conservative than what any of the "official and blessed" Conservatives of his day could have pulled off.

That's because he was Eisenhower and he was used to OTHERS kissing his patutty, not the reverse. It would have simply never occurred to him to tolerate someone like Teddy Kennedy in a Reach Around.

97 posted on 10/13/2011 5:18:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
Under both CSRS and FERS, Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at age 62 if they have completed at least five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of salary.

By law, the starting amount of a Member’s retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his or her final salary.

None of my bennies are this lush. Replace with 401K and introduce them to the wonderful world of "Rollover" on departure.

98 posted on 10/13/2011 5:26:27 PM PDT by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: frogjerk
Ted Baxter O'Reilly will badmouth Cain mercilessly until the moment he becomes a regular on the show The Liberal Spinzone with Ted Baxter O'Reilly.
99 posted on 10/13/2011 5:29:46 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: bigbob

Juan still sticks up for Zero but sometimes while he’s doing it he looks like he wants to swallow his tongue.

He’s a pretty reasonable lib some of the time. I think he just might be one of them willing to cast a vote for Herman Cain!


100 posted on 10/13/2011 5:32:16 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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