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Can Herman Cain's 999 Plan Work?
Axel Whiteman ^ | 10/5/11 | Axel Whiteman

Posted on 10/10/2011 9:05:29 AM PDT by justsaynomore

UPDATE: 9/27/2011 We were contacted directly by the Cain Campaign's chief economic advisors last week, and were advised that base numbers in our analysis significantly understate the initial revenue generated in the first year of the 999 plan. The Cain Campaign had indicated a willingness to share their raw data so that we might adjust our projections. We anticipate that this information will be made available shortly, and we'll review their data, and will modify our analysis if warranted.

While the nation awaits Barack Obama's "Jobs Plan," which will be countered by the Romney "Jobs Plan"and the Wall Street Journal swoons over Jon Huntsman's economic plan; we thought we'd take a moment to review the economic plan proposed by Herman Cain.

About two weeks ago, Presidential hopeful, Herman Cain announced his "Vision for Economic Growth" which he calls 999. The previous link is to the official campaign brochure describing the plan. The brochure appears to be rather poorly constructed, stringing together often unrelated talking points, policy initiatives, and goals. (For anyone interested, we've done a point by point critique on the shortcomings of the brochure here, and cut and pasted our own suggestions here.)However, on closer inspection, one can see what is likely to be the unedited stream of conscience thought of a singularly brilliant individual. Despite the explanatory shortcomings of the brochure, the "Vision for Economic Growth" is quite simple in nature

Cain's "Enhanced Phase I".

Cains vision is;

Limit all personal income taxes (including SS / Medicare) to 9%

Reduce Corporate Taxes to 9%

Introduce an national sales tax of 9%

Phase II would be to eliminate the personal income tax and the Corporate Income Tax and replace them both with the "Fair Tax"

Cain's brochure claims that the plan is revenue neutral, which would mean that it would generate a similar amount to the current Federal Revenues of about $2.162 Trillion. At first glance it seems difficult to fathom. It fortunately it isn't difficult to test this contention. We'll simply assume zero deductions and multiply the aggregate totals of each sector by 9%.

Our best, or perhaps most optimistic, estimate of aggregate U.S. personal income comes from University of New Mexico's Bureau of Business and Economic Research. According to UNM's BBE - total personal income in 2011 will be $12.590 Trillion.

Corporate Taxable income is a bit more difficult to ascertain due to the ability of Corporations to make business decisions and accounting allocations based on prevailing tax law. Data is readily available for total Corporate taxes paid, but this includes a large number of deductions and accounting allocations to define depreciation, capital gains, etc. Again in the interest of erring on the high side, we'll use our own extrapolation of data. Last year, Corporations reported after tax profits of about $1.5 Trillion. Based on a current corporate tax rate of 35% and corporate propensities to shift "profits" into capital gains or other lesser taxed classifications, one could make a reasonable case that the core gross profit to which tax would be applied could conservatively be estimated to be twice that amount. That is $3Trillion.

Total Consumer spending is quite a bit easier to identify. According to the latest annual report from the U.S. Census Bureau (calendar year 2009), the total amount of sales for the U.S. Retail Industry (including food service and automotive) was $4.13 Trillion.

A quick acid test of the numbers would be to total them and see how they compare to total GDP. The total of our factor is about 19 Trillion. Recognizing that to a large extent "retail sales" are largely previously counted in Personal Income, and that the total GDP is estimated to be around 15 Trillion, our estimates of "Taxable Base" against which to apply the Cain 9% tax rates appears to be reasonable. Now applying the 999 tax rate yields the following.


Total Aggregate
Tax Rate
Gov. Revenue
Personal Income $12,530,101,184

0.09 $1,127,709,107
Corporate before Tax Income $3,000,000,000 0.09 $270,000,000
Gross Consumer Purchases

$4,200,000,000 0.09 $378,000,000



$1,775,709,1

As we can see from the above referenced table, the 999 plan, when applied to current economic levels of activity; falls significantly short of the current Government revenue of 2.162 Trillion. In this blunt and rather static analysis, the 999 plan would result in a $387 Billion revenue shortfall when compared to current tax revenue estimates.

So is the plan unworkable?

Not so fast....

One of the difficulties in estimating tax revenue is that both people and corporations change their behavior in order to take advantage of tax policy. Obviously, this plan is proposed encourage economic activity, and create an environment where economic growth can occur. It would not be unreasonable for the 999 plan to result in a 10% growth rate. Ok, that's a bit aggressive, but not unreasonable. Remember, the Federal Budget Baseline assumes an 8% annual growth in Government outlays, and that after 4 years of no growth - there may be significant "pent up demand" making this possible. And honestly, if we don't get some economic growth out of a dramatic policy change, why bother anyway. So, lets scale back a bit, and for the sake of rhetorical simplicity, assume 9% growth....

9% Growth Projection


Personal Income $14,887,013,217 0.09 $1,339,831,190
Corporate before Tax Income 3564300000 0.09

$320,787,000
Gross Consumer Purchases 4990020000 0.09 $449,101,800



$2,109,719,990

Now we're getting somewhere. If one assumes that we can achieve significant growth after instituting such pro-growth policies; we are now within $50 Billion of being Revenue neutral. In fact if the growth continues for another year, we would surpass the revenue neutral point and then become "Revenue Positive."

Based on the assumed growth projections, the 999 plan becomes revenue "Positive" quite quickly. The underlying philosophy of the plan is sound, if not brilliant - both from the perspective of functional economics and political positioning. The broad and indiscriminate capture of ALL income at a low rate removes government from picking "winners and losers". For the above projections to maintain any degree of accuracy, ALL deductions are eliminated. That's right, no charity, no mortgage, no green energy etc. Just straight .09 from everyone. This removes market distortions from economic decision making. It also removes a great deal of power from the legislature to create private sector billionaire's with the passage of legislation. (Oh the humanity!)

It is, in short "Economic Liberty"

The diametric opposite of what has been in practice since the Obama administration took office.

Politically, it is of equal brilliance. The mainstay of Barack Obama's political rhetoric is class warfare. To be fair, it is at times the a common tool for the right wing media as well. Limabaugh frequently bemoans the fact that almost half the nations population pay "no income tax." While that's technically true, it is only so by a matter of semantics, not economics. About 20% of every wage earners productive income is confiscated by the Federal Government and labeled "Social Security, and Medicare" contributions. Once confiscated it is thrown into the exact same General Fund that higher wage earners "Social Security, Medicare, and Federal Income Taxes" are placed. Other than the label - there is no difference in these funds.

Consequently, we have Obama on one side chiding "millionaires and billionaires" for not paying their "fair share." - When they already cough up 50% of their income. And on the other side we have Limbaugh, Levin, and Boortz lamenting the fact that half of the country are "freeloaders" paying nothing in Federal Taxes - "When the freeloaders" are busting their butts for $10 bucks an hour, and taking home $8 an hour.

This Tax structure creates the fertile ground on which the seeds of class envy are planted and harvested by antagonists on both sides.

The 999 plan puts all Americans on equal footing and eradicates the root of class warfare.. When Legislative issues arise that will call for more spending and imply the need for higher taxes, it would be a great change of pace to see every productive American evaluate the issue from the standpoint of a taxpayer/stakeholder. (Even illegals would object to higher taxes!)

The 999 plan is an outstanding concept, unfortunately; it only addresses one side of our current Federal Fiscal Crisis. Even if 999 initiates a period of extended 9% growth, it still leaves an annual deficit of more than a $Trillion annually. Even if revenues grow at 9% per annum, the current budget baseline of 8% annual growth, when added to the required interest payments to fund the increasing deficits - yield a budget that NEVER balances.

As bold and dramatic as the 999 plan is, it addresses only the revenue side of the Federal Financial issue. As Cain often says, "First you've got to identify the problem." The revenue "problem" is how to most equitably, and efficiently extract about 20% of GDP from the nations producers? 999 is an elegant and effective answer to that question.

The more pressing question remains, "How do we run the Federal Government on less than 20% of GDP?" This will require actual budget "cuts" - not the faux "cuts against the baseline" that are the Washington norm. The answer is this:

Combined with the 999 Revenue Plan, the Congressional Super Committee must establish a "Prosperity Baseline Budget" of $2.2 Trillion. (That's approximately 2004 level spending) and re-establish the "growth baseline" to be limited to 1% per year. Sparing everyone the laborious calcs after the first year of implementation the resulting outcome would be:

999 Revenue Plan + Prosperity Budget Baseline =

9% annual economic and revenue Growth, and the virtual elimination of all Federal debt - in 9 years.

Year Federal Revenue (in Trillions) Payment on Debt
2.3947 0.19473

1 2.6103 0.3882557
2 2.8452 0.60095871
3 3.1012 0.8345826
4 3.3804 1.09102801

5 3.6846 1.37236683
6 4.0162 1.68085762
7

4.3777 2.01896235
8 4.7716 2.38936478
9 5.2011

2.79499039


13.36609699

Wishful thinking? Sure, but a solid goal for which to aim. If we achieve the growth sought and projected, the ability to cut the Federal Budget will be enhanced due to significant decreased reliance on unemployment benefits and Medicaid.

In other words:

9% Personal Tax +

9% Corporate Tax +

9% Sales Tax

=

9% Real Economic Growth and

ElIMINATE FEDERAL DEBT - in 9 YEARS


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 999; fairtax; hermancain; taxes
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To: justsaynomore

“The sales tax is not negotiable...”

Neither is my vote.


41 posted on 10/10/2011 1:56:43 PM PDT by Enough is ENOUGH
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To: Reagan Man

So when confronted with detailed analysis and numbers, your response is essentially “Is not!”

Give my regards to the second grade.


42 posted on 10/10/2011 2:00:58 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: marty60
The fact that gets me is that Cain’s book is a bust.

Guess that explains why all the online booksellers are having to backorder it.

43 posted on 10/10/2011 2:07:15 PM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: Reagan Man

Yeah, the status quo is working out so well.

BTW, your argument is hollow. It’s a “becuz I sez so” post.

LOL!


44 posted on 10/10/2011 2:10:55 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: LOC1

It’s an effort to get businesses to get into the inner city and get people off of WELFARE. I can buy into this plan because I want to see welfare go the way of the steam engine. For everyone.


45 posted on 10/10/2011 2:14:00 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: marty60

As of this post it’s #14 and has been in the Top 100 since it was released.

It’s sold out of most brick and mortar outlets and ships within 6-9 days from Amazon because they can’t get a hold of enough to fulfill orders the same day like they usually do.

Yeah, it’s a bust all right.


46 posted on 10/10/2011 2:19:12 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: justsaynomore
Everyone pays 15.3% FICA

No they don't. Most people are not self-employed and pay only 5.65% FICA currently.

47 posted on 10/10/2011 2:24:42 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: justsaynomore
We were contacted directly by the Cain Campaign's chief economic advisors last week, and were advised that base numbers in our analysis significantly understate the initial revenue generated in the first year of the 999 plan.

When they get back to you can you please ask them to identify the $2.2 trillion in cuts they will have to make in order to balance the budget under the 9-9-9 plan in the first year? Thanks in advance.

48 posted on 10/10/2011 2:26:48 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo

Yes they do, indirectly. Employers include FICA matching when determining compensation levels. And the rate is 7.65, not 5.65


49 posted on 10/10/2011 2:49:12 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: SoJoCo

Even if they do have to cut - why is this a bad thing?

Cain has said many times we need horizontal as well as deep cuts in government, including the EPA


50 posted on 10/10/2011 2:52:17 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: GatorGirl

YEAH IT’S 14 WITH A BRICK.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/books


51 posted on 10/10/2011 3:03:56 PM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60

So you admit you lied.


52 posted on 10/10/2011 3:24:14 PM PDT by GatorGirl (Herman Cain 2012)
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To: GatorGirl

WHAT are you talking about?


53 posted on 10/10/2011 3:30:42 PM PDT by marty60
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To: GatorGirl

Oh I know. I had looked at the 100 best sellers by # of books sold.

He isn’t on it.

But you might want to check Amazon. They say they have some new ones left and even 1 Used for $6 bucks.


54 posted on 10/10/2011 3:35:23 PM PDT by marty60
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To: justsaynomore
Even if they do have to cut - why is this a bad thing?

Even if they do have to cut??? There is no way that they shouldn't cut, and cut deeply. But Cain is pitching a plan that will require downsizing the government by 60% or so in order to balance the budget under his plan. I would hope that he recognizes that and has identified the cuts he will make in order to do so. I'd like to hear what they are.

55 posted on 10/10/2011 3:59:22 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: justsaynomore
Yes they do, indirectly. Employers include FICA matching when determining compensation levels.

Yeah right. So you're saying that if companies don't have to pay their share of FICA then they'll increase their employees salaries by 7.65%? In what universe?

And the rate is 7.65, not 5.65

Check your paycheck again. It's been 5.65% since the beginning of the year.

56 posted on 10/10/2011 4:01:43 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: SoJoCo
Yeah right. So you're saying that if companies don't have to pay their share of FICA then they'll increase their employees salaries by 7.65%? In what universe?

Employers who are willing to pay an employee $50,000 are willing to pay an employee $50,000.

If the FICA matching was dropped, gross salaries would not change...but net salaries would very quickly rise by the equivalent percentage.

If you think otherwise, you know little about how employers run their business.

57 posted on 10/10/2011 4:08:09 PM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: SoJoCo

Oh, I see. You must be one of those folks who believe all business owners are the enemy, they are greedy, and don’t give a rip about their employees.

Business owners like my husband, who employs 50 people said if FICA were cut, that would go back to them, for one.

Of course some business owners won’t, but in a job market that become competitive again (since the 999 plan is estimated to cut unemployment in half) who would work for them?


58 posted on 10/10/2011 4:09:39 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: justsaynomore
Oh, I see. You must be one of those folks who believe all business owners are the enemy, they are greedy, and don’t give a rip about their employees.

The overwhelming majority don't.

Business owners like my husband, who employs 50 people said if FICA were cut, that would go back to them, for one.

Business owners like the one I work for, who employ several hundred thousand people, cut all our salaries by 5 to 15 percent a couple of years ago. Not because they were losing money, but because they weren't making enough. I will predict right now that if Cain is elected and he enacts his scheme then the overwhelming majority of the people in this country will not see a dime of that FICA money.

Of course some business owners won’t, but in a job market that become competitive again (since the 999 plan is estimated to cut unemployment in half) who would work for them?

Yeah, listening to people anyone would think that the 9-9-9 plan is going to do everything but cure cancer. And for all I know they're claiming that now.

59 posted on 10/10/2011 5:10:54 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: okie01
If the FICA matching was dropped, gross salaries would not change...but net salaries would very quickly rise by the equivalent percentage.

Depends on how much you make. For upwards of half the people in the country the Cain plan will be a tax increase even before the sales tax is factored in.

60 posted on 10/10/2011 5:13:03 PM PDT by SoJoCo
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