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Bombshell: DOJ Considering Elimination of ATF (ATF? WTF?)
Townhall ^ | 09/30/2011 | Katie Palich

Posted on 09/30/2011 2:59:57 PM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000

Multiple sources, including sources from ATF, DOJ and Congressional offices have said there is a white paper circulating within the Department of Justice, outlining the essential elimination of ATF. According to sources, the paper outlines the firing of at least 450 ATF agents in an effort to conduct damage control as Operation Fast and Furious gets uglier and as election day 2012 gets closer.

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“It’s a serious white paper being circulated, how far they’d get with it I don’t know,” a confidential source said.

After a town hall meeting about Operation Fast and Furious in Tucson, Ariz. on Monday, ATF Whistleblower Vince Cefalu, who has been key in exposing details about Operation Fast and Furious, confirmed the elimination of ATF has been circulating as a serious idea for sometime now and that a white paper outlining the plan does exist.

Sounds great right? Eliminating ATF? But there is more to this story. Remember, low level ATF field agents, like ATF whistleblower John Dodson, were uncomfortable conducting Operation Fast and Furious from the beginning, but were told by high level officials within ATF that if they had a problem with the operation, they could find a job elsewhere.

“Allowing loads of weapons that we knew to be destined for criminals, this was the plan. It was so mandated,” ATF Whistleblower John Dodson said in testimony on Capitol Hill on June 15, 2011.

In fact, not only were the ATF agents forced to carry out the operation, they were told to go against what they had been taught in training.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; fastandfurious; gunrunner; gunwalker
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To: dusttoyou

“The million man ‘Homey’ army.”

At least Birdman Weapons Systems can then become a gubmint supplier:

http://www.thegunzone.com/glock/glock-gag.html


81 posted on 10/01/2011 4:08:44 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: traditional1
Why not eliminate the DOE for the Solyndra sham, and the NEA for the failed eductaion system? How about the EPA, for the drastic economic and private property Rights elimination?

Makes perfect sense to me.

82 posted on 10/01/2011 4:32:13 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: greeneyes

Yes, it is stupid. Just like it’s stupid to transfer the former head of the ATF to DOJ - just calls attention to things. Didn’t stop Holder from doing it though. That was my only point - don’t assume they are smart enough to see what you and I see.


83 posted on 10/01/2011 7:00:52 AM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: dead; PhilosopherStone1000; B4Ranch; gundog; MestaMachine; hflynn; 50cal Smokepole; Diogenesis; ...
dead: WTF does alcohol, tobacco and firearms have to do with each other anyway?


84 posted on 10/01/2011 8:59:07 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine; Nachum; MestaMachine; 444Flyer; Munz

LOL thanks for the ping.


85 posted on 10/01/2011 9:29:06 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Rock you like a hermancain!)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

No WTF :)


86 posted on 10/01/2011 9:30:50 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Rock you like a hermancain!)
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To: traditional1

Yeah under the bus and then they will re create just like ACORN.Most criminal,pathetic,POS,corrupt,SOB POTUS that makes JIMMAH CARTER LOOK GOOD!


87 posted on 10/01/2011 9:32:28 AM PDT by Dubya-M-DeesWent2SyriaStupid! (Rock you like a hermancain!)
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To: sam_paine

I sure hope someone is making that and you have a link.

Its as nifty as “convienence store”.


88 posted on 10/01/2011 9:36:38 AM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/caindogs are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: 50cal Smokepole
The ATF should have been shut down long ago.

Take the entire Justice Department HQ and send it to the parking lot to await recall. If you are not recalled in 24 hours go look elsewhere for a real job. DoJ HQ should be no more that 100 people, total.

89 posted on 10/01/2011 10:27:36 AM PDT by Rapscallion (This administration is so bad even their corruption is incompetent)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000

Yep. Rumors abound amidst the dept that yesterday was “Black
friday” Will report back.


90 posted on 10/01/2011 10:37:33 AM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: 50cal Smokepole

Sure, shut down the ATF... but what will they replace it with? That’s the important question with this crowd in the WH.


91 posted on 10/01/2011 10:39:01 AM PDT by ponygirl (People are calling our President the Fresh Prince of Bill Ayers; that's not allowed is it?)
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To: cornfedcowboy

Awesome! Feel free to FReepmail if you don’t wish to go public.


92 posted on 10/01/2011 10:39:34 AM PDT by PhilosopherStone1000
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To: Gator113
>>Does anybody really believe that ACORN no longer exists?

Well, the office does look smaller from the outside....





...but the stench is still the same on the interior.
93 posted on 10/01/2011 11:04:50 AM PDT by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: gundog

Yep, throw the whole ATF under the bus?


94 posted on 10/01/2011 11:16:10 AM PDT by CPO retired
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To: B4Ranch

Nothing will change. It will be still be the same group of people doing the same thing, but with a different name.


95 posted on 10/01/2011 11:16:25 AM PDT by Roklok
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To: ponygirl
Sure, shut down the ATF... but what will they replace it with?

The "Civilian Defense Force"?

96 posted on 10/01/2011 11:47:45 AM PDT by 50cal Smokepole (Effective gun control involves effective recoil management)
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To: PhilosopherStone1000
"WTF?"

Why, that's the Obozo's slogan: "win the future." But we haven't heard him use it lately. Maybe the dummy finally figured out what the initials mean.

97 posted on 10/01/2011 12:09:38 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: Lockbox

Exactly. 0 sees the writing on the wall - he’s going down in 2012.


98 posted on 10/01/2011 12:09:53 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks PhilosopherStone1000.


99 posted on 10/01/2011 12:36:23 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: greeneyes
Laying off 450 agents to cover for political appointees sounds like a good way to turn 450 agents into 450 whistleblowers.

Shhhh! Haha,
100 posted on 10/01/2011 12:45:46 PM PDT by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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