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Romney says illegal immigrants get a $100,000 break on UT tuition over 4 years (facts)
Austin American Statesman ^ | September 28, 2011 | The Truth-O-Meter

Posted on 09/28/2011 4:01:54 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

........To take a step back and view the big picture: Of 1.3 million college students in Texas in 2010, 1.2 percent (16,476) were illegal immigrants receiving tuition breaks through the affidavit route. (The even bigger picture: Texas’ 1.65 million illegal immigrants made up 6.7 percent of the state’s total population in 2010, according to the Pew Hispanic Center.)

Stated another way, only 1 percent of Texas’ illegal immigrants got the in-state rates in 2010. And of those, 73 percent got an average reduction of $2,600 or less; the remaining 27 percent average closer to $10,000 per year.

So let’s return to Romney’s statement: "Four years of college, almost $100,000 discount if you are an illegal alien (and) go to the University of Texas."

For the 612 affidavit students at the University of Texas last year, Romney’s figure of $22,000 per year is approximately correct, even a bit low; but quadrupling the real average adds up to $90,800 over four years, not $100,000.

Not only is that UT tuition break the very highest that Romney could have cited among Texas public universities, it went to only 4 percent of the illegal immigrants who received in-state tuition rates last year.

The vast majority of affidavit students in Texas last year got an average in-state tuition reduction of $1,600 to $2,600. If they got that rate for four years, the total "discount" would be $6,400 to $10,400. And that group of 12,028 community college affidavit students made up less than 1 percent of the 1,364,911 college students enrolled in Texas last year.

Romney’s $100,000 figure is only $9,200 off the mark for the University of Texas, but with 73 percent of affidavit students receiving $10,400 or less over four years, his choice to use UT as an example gives a skewed representation of the reality of illegal immigrants seeking college education in Texas…..” PolitiFact-Texas


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: economy; gopprimary; illegalimmigration; perry2012; perryspam
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To: RC one
Michelle Bachman is pandering.

Not one person running is for amnesty, just making everyone legal, but they are for a path to citizenship. Hell Palin said deportation would be inhumane and could understand why illegals wanted to come here.

Mitt has done a good job of blurring lines and Bachman has done a good job of running interference.

Perry is the whole package. He is not pandering to win but is telling everyone exactly where he stands. No one, except perhaps Cain, is doing the same.

21 posted on 09/28/2011 4:51:16 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Perry is not a choice because his love of illegals is emotional. He won’t every change that. Romney made a horrible decision on Romneycare, but, he is not emotionally attached to single payer care. His pledge to repeal Obamacare is all I need to prefer him to the La Raza candidate. Of course, I would prefer Santorum, but that is not looking so likely right now.


22 posted on 09/28/2011 4:51:32 AM PDT by anton
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Wasn’t it Sanitorum in the second debate that first used this analogy of a break over other students from other states? However those US citizen non Texas students from other states can move to Texas, take one year and establish Texas residency and get the same in state tuition after.


23 posted on 09/28/2011 4:51:49 AM PDT by deport
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
I like Christies blutness but he is as moderate as Romney and would certainly take from him.

Perry is the actual total package.


24 posted on 09/28/2011 4:54:48 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: anton

Perry’s position is both practical and human.

The Feds have created this problem, over and over again.

Texans have had no reason to expect that the Feds would not just grant citizenship AGAIN.

Texas is not the problem.


25 posted on 09/28/2011 4:54:55 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; RoosterRedux; jonrick46; deepbluesea; RockinRight; TexMom7; potlatch; ...
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26 posted on 09/28/2011 4:57:16 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: deport
Santorum has been walking a thin line on this; he keeps moving the question to all foreigners should be allowed an education. He blurs the lines in a confused ball. He will not take a stand but he lies about his opponents. He lied about Perry's Texas insurance, that would bring down costs.

Rick Perry's Intriguing Idea for Bi-National Health Insurance …“Contrary to Sen. Santorum’s impression, the idea here was to explore the possibility of allowing private insurers to cover health services provided in either Texas or Mexico. It was an attempt at studying the deregulation of the provision of health insurance by private entities.........Rick Santorum may have thought he was undermining Rick Perry’s health policy credibility by attacking the Texas proposal for bi-national health insurance. But the only credibility Santorum undermined was his own."

27 posted on 09/28/2011 4:59:36 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Not a high tolerance for Romney spin, just a low tolerance for Perry spin.


28 posted on 09/28/2011 5:02:40 AM PDT by beandog (You can't elevate Perry by tearing down Palin)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Here’s another fact - if you are related to the Kenyan in the white house and you live in ‘Tusetts and you are here illegally, on welfare or selling booze to minors...
you get a PASS.


29 posted on 09/28/2011 5:04:08 AM PDT by matginzac
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The only other chink in his armor is his support for a law he signed which allowed for non-citizen children domiciled in Texas without immigration documentation to be considered Texas residents for the purposes of paying college tuition. From the boos in the crowds it was apparent that most Republicans nation-wide do not support this. Nonetheless, Perry explains very clearly and carefully why he signed what was a veto proof bill passed with four “no” votes out of 183 Texas legislators, with Republicans in firm control of both chambers.

But here’s what Yankees like Michelle Bachmann, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum don’t get. Texas is not the only state that has done this. New Mexico and California have as well. Not surprisingly, Arizona is the only state with an actual border with Mexico that hasn’t. In addition to Arizona, only three other states prohibit in-state tuition for children with undocumented immigration status. However, in addition to Texas, New Mexico, and California, eight other states specifically allow it. These include Kansas (passed with a Republican supermajority in both houses), Nebraska (non-partisan, but with a supermajority of members who were otherwise Republicans), and Utah (again, with a dual supermajority of Republicans), New York (split control), Oklahoma (Republican House and even split in the Senate), as well as Illinois, Washington, and Wisconsin (Democratic simple majority in both houses).

Now you may be thinking to yourself, if only four states have prohibited state universities from considering undocumented students as residents, and eight have specifically permitted it, what about the other thirty-eight? They have not legislated on the matter at all. What is not prohibited is allowed.

One Statesman in the Field

30 posted on 09/28/2011 5:04:43 AM PDT by shield (Rev 2:9 Woe unto those who say they are Judahites and are not, but are of the syna GOG ue of Satan.)
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To: dangus
Really? Romney is a pro abortion, pro gun control liberal Republican who signed a similar healthcare act as Obamacare and has the exact same immigration policy as every other candidate on stage or waiting to run, yet you and others at FR defend him over the pro life, pro 2nd Amendment, ex-Air Force Captain whose state created 40 percent of all jobs in the U.S. and has spent 400 million of their own tax dollars, footed the bill, to secure the U.S./Mexico Border.

You defend Romney when Perry has done more as Governor to secure the U.S./Mexico border than all the candidates and Palin combined. They don't go to the border except as a photo op. They have no idea what is going on there. They are completely ignorant of the situation and have done absolutely nothing to secure it. Perry and Texas has in money and man power. Not Border Patrol, Texas law enforcement, Texas Ranger units, Texas National Guard, even having firefights with drug cartels cross border. But you don't care because Palin is gonna rub powder on your hynie and tell you she is gonna make everything better.

31 posted on 09/28/2011 5:08:38 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Mexicans have created the problem. The federal and state governments have tolerated it because unethical businesses like cheap labor. 1) require national ID cards with fingerprint; 2) send businessmen employing illegals to mandatory prison time; 3) make it a crime to provide medical, educational, or other benefits to illegals other than emergency medical care and then only after notification of ICE.

Problem solved


32 posted on 09/28/2011 5:10:10 AM PDT by anton
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
What is really upsetting about this super liberal Romney is that he did absolutely nothing to illegal immigration when he was governor of Massachusetts and illegal immigrants get in state tuitions in Massachusetts as they do in most other states. The hypocrisy is really stunning but Romney is a liberal after all and hence a hypocrite.

If Romney is the nominee he would be the dream opponent for Obama. He will fit the liberal campaign playbook to the T. They will be running the most brutal, and unfortunately the most effective, class warfare campaign in American politics by running on the theme that Obama is the defender of the working citizen against the super rich and greedy Wall Street Banker Romney the founder and CEO of Bain Capital the wall street firm which destroyed other companies and caused many to lose their jobs.

33 posted on 09/28/2011 5:16:19 AM PDT by jgge
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To: McGavin999; Cincinatus' Wife
Well, Romney has always been a liar, and those that support him are deliberately pretending to be “offended”. They want Romney to be President so bad they will do and say anything to accomplish that.

I don't want romney but I am offended by perry's bleeding heart for ILLEGAL ALIENS, and since when is a college student one of the "chilrun".

Perry is an ex-demonRAT {his big bleeding heart} means that he hasn't made the leap from liberal to conservative.

BTW, 41% of those "jobs" that "perry created" went to ILLEGAL ALIENS.

34 posted on 09/28/2011 5:25:19 AM PDT by USS Alaska
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The major point is that Romney is willing to twist facts beyond the point of reality... even to his own base.

I know where Perry stands, I don’t with Romney.

The worst we get from Perry is a small tuition deduction, which is likely cheaper than maintaining them on the “public dole”... What’s the worst damage Mitt could do?


35 posted on 09/28/2011 5:27:37 AM PDT by Tim n Texas
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To: matginzac

No kidding.

Here’s another fact.

The number of college students enrolled in Texas schools is almost double the population of Alaska.

The population of Texas is roughly 25,000,000.


36 posted on 09/28/2011 5:29:21 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: USS Alaska
Well, Romney is what you are going to get. Old Rupert and Bloomberg are both big amnesty guys, why do you think FOX is touting Romney and crusing Perry?

41% of the jobs went to illegals? Are you kidding me? There aren't that many illegals in Texas. They've moved on to construction jobs in tornado alley and the hurricane centers.

There are 10 states that have the very same law, where is your outrage at them? Oh, you didn't know about them? Oh, you didn't even know about the Texas law until you were told? Gee, who told you about it? FOX? Now how on earth did that happen?

37 posted on 09/28/2011 5:30:19 AM PDT by McGavin999
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To: jgge

It strikes me as odd that a kid could graduate from a high school in Texas without being a Texas resident. We are talking residency here and not citizenship. Thanks to our liberal courts, governors cannot deport illegals or even ask about their immigration status in the course of conducting state business. I think this is a non issue that politicians are trying to exploit for political reasons (I’m shocked I tell you). Perry could have and should have explained this better, and was stupid for calling opponents heartless, but I’ll bet that illegals get in state tuition in Santorum’s PA, Bachman’s MN, Romney”s MA, etc. etc.


38 posted on 09/28/2011 5:33:37 AM PDT by csmusaret (The only borders Obama has closed is a bookstore.)
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To: USS Alaska
Show me links to back up your comments.

Also, Perry was always a conservative, even with a (D) until the GOP built a party in Texas. Perry was the first GOP Lt. Gov. elected in Texas since Reconstruction.

Get some facts and leave the spin behind.

39 posted on 09/28/2011 5:34:12 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Rick Perry said we cannot build a border fence and it was stupid. So how is he planning on sealing the border.


40 posted on 09/28/2011 5:36:31 AM PDT by Americanexpat (Everytime I see that guy's face ot)
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