Illegal Immigration Collapse

Wall Street Journal ^ | 9/24/11 | editors

[Eva]

To listen to the recent Republican Presidential debates, you'd think illegal immigration was the biggest threat to the U.S. economy—not to mention to the rule of law, our social fabric and national security. We hate to spoil the political reverie, but the real immigration story these days is how many fewer illegal migrants are trying to get into the land of the free.

That's the news from the Department of Homeland Security, which reports that border apprehensions have dropped to their lowest level in nearly 40 years. For fiscal 2010, arrests were 463,000, down from 724,000 in 2008—a one-third decline in two years.

[Smokin' Joe]

If the government admits to 12 million illegals here, it is 50 million or more!

Especially when one considers they have been admitting to 12 million for nearly thirty years--as if they weren't making more and moving in the extended family.

[steve86]

How about, instead of paying Americans to sit on their a$$ collecting welfare, food stamps and unemployment, send them out to the farms to EARN their keep.

Sitting here in orchard and asparagus country we've seen that approach fail -- productivity and work quality is so low the field owners have to kick them off the field -- the business would be ruined otherwise. Plus, on any large scale, you'd have constant worker-injury type lawsuits against the owners. It just doesn't work. You can sit there at the keyboard and rant all day but no one in the industry will risk their livelihood to go along with that.

[Gaffer]

That number is a smokescreen. Really, it would not surprise me if the number were 75-100 Million...it is that bad! Look around at bus stops, look around at Wal Mart...hell, look just about anywhere....They are all around us.

[Eva]

For Pete’s sake - NO ONE is looking the other way or advocating that other do. Perry is very strongly opposed to illegal immigration and advocates strong enforcement of immigration laws. He is just trying to make the best of the situation that the lack of federal enforcement has forced on Texas.

What are you a Bachman fan?

[Gaffer]

We...Americans who don’t want invaders aren’t going to tolerate illegal immigration just for the sake of cheap agricultural labor. I would willingly pay more for a potato I KNEW was illegal-immigrant-free......better that than a damned free-range chicken....

[WilliamofCarmichael]

"Keep your hands off our taxpayer-subsidized cheap labor!" screams the WSJ.

"We're against using ILLEGAL labor.. normalize them!" demands the WSJ.

[meyer]

You can sit there at the keyboard and rant all day but no one in the industry will risk their livelihood to go along with that.

The point was to quit paying people that don't earn their keep. They get hungry enough, they'll be willing to earn their keep. Otherwise, they'll starve or get removed from the gene pool when they cross into someone's abode.

[cripplecreek]

What are you a Bachmann fan?

And you wonder why you morons are taking such a beating. You don't have the moral courage to face a real fight so you think you can turn the name of a conservative into an insult.

What are you, an Obama fan?

[Smokin' Joe]

Yep. There is a lot of construction going on up here right now, as a result of the Bakken and Three Forks oilfields, and I’m hearing more spanish at WalMart and in other stores than ever. Considering the huge influx of people from all over the country (probably one for everyone who is native to or a long-term resident of the area), it is no surprise that construction companies from the south are bringing them in, or that they are coming in on their own. We had some migrants who worked the sugar beet fields in the past, but nothing like this, and only a small sugar beet crop in the Missouri valley this year due to flooding.

[steve86]

I don’t like illegal immigration either. But the work-on-farms-for-welfare idea isn’t going to fly.

[Eva]

Who cares if they can hold a government job. There won’t be that many of them that are truly illegal taking advantage of the in-state tuition, anyway, only the exceptional, more motivated among them.

The point is that tuition for the Texas illegals has little meaning on the national stage, not nearly as much as Obamneycare or Social Security.

Tuition for illegals is just a red herring, being used to divide the GOP base.

[Gandalf_The_Gray]

For fiscal 2010, arrests were 463,000, down from 724,000 in 2008—a one-third decline in two years.

So in four more years there will be no arrests at all? And that's supposed to be "good news"?

Call me when the number of people crossing the border w/o a visa or citizenship drops to zero.

Regards,
GtG

[eyedigress]

Just wait till they “unionize”, it called a gang. We have 26 or so in Mid-Tennessee.

[A CA Guy]

It is a major issue, most all the welfare in CA seems to go to Hispanics who are here illegally or just got the green card. If they can't support themselves, go home.

There is the issue of all the narcos on our government lands also growing drugs. Twice a day a major farm is closed down in pour forests. If narcos could do that, Islamic A-holes could get through and burn forests, blow up malls, shoot up schools and so forth.

CLOSE THE BORDER.

[Eva]

And just what does Texas in-state tuition have to do with that ?

[Gaffer]

Texas can do what they want. But it does so not only at their expense, but mine. You cannot say that Texas educates it’s children WITHOUT Federal dollars- some of which they took from me. Vote for Rick. It is your right. I WON’T .

[Eva]

“CLOSE the Border.” - That’s exactly what Perry says.

[I still care]

Why would they come here if there are no jobs?

If you are coming for altruistic reasons, you play by the rules.

[kabar]

First of all the Pew poll doesn’t seem to separate Mexicans, from Guatemalan, Columbians or any other Central or South American country because they all come through Mexico.

There are two separate reports: one dealing with Mexican immigration to the US and the other dealing with the Hispanic population of the US. The links are below:

Census 2010: 50 Million Latinos Hispanics Account for More Than Half of Nation’s Growth in Past Decade

The Mexican-American Boom: Births Overtake Immigration

How about if you just lump all the Muslims in European countries together? Think that would change the result? There have been articles about how the influx of Muslims into Germany (mostly from Turkey, but not all) has lowered the standards of the German educational system. It won’t be long before the deleterious effects of not educating immigrants shows on the German economy.

I don't quite understand the German reference, but I have considerable personal knowledge of the circumstances there. I have been going to Germany almost annually for over 40 years; my wife is German; my daughter did graduate work there learning Arabic, and I lived there for four years.

The German experience with guest workers is not something we want to emulate--although we are. Yes, the impact has not been positive, which is why Angela Merkel said that multiculturalism was dead. The Muslim population, mostly Turkish, has not assimilated despite being there for generations. There are honor killings in Berlin.

Germany has a fertility rate below replacement, i.e., 2.1. As a result their population is both aging and declining. It is getting more and more difficult to support the welfare state. The Germans have made some very painful decisions in terms of cutting government benefits including for the elderly. They are also among the most highly taxed people on earth. They need immigrants, but not from the Third World.

The US situation is probably worse in the long term. We are being colonized by the Third World and our immigration policies have made it possible ever since the 1965 Immigration Act, which changed our demographics forever.

87 percent of the 1.2 million legal immigrants entering annually are minorities as defined by the U.S. Government and almost all of the illegal aliens are minorities. By 2019 half of the children 18 and under in the U.S. will be classified as minorities and by 2039, half of the residents of this country will be minorities. Generally, immigrants and minorities vote predominantly for the Democrat Party. Hence, Democrats view immigration as a never-ending source of voters that will make them the permanent majority party.

Since the 1965 Immigration Act, our pro-population growth immigration policies have fueled major demographic changes in a very short period of time. In 1970, non-Hispanic whites comprised 89 percent of the population; today they are 66 percent; and by 2039, they will be 50 percent. The Democrats, under the banner of multiculturalism and diversity, have forged a political coalition that depends on individuals coalescing around racial and ethnic identities rather than the issues. The continuing and increasing flow of minority immigrants, mostly poor and uneducated, provide a natural constituency for the Democrats, which see them as their principal source of political power.

I have no doubt that unless we get our legal immigration policies and illetgal immigration under control, we will lose this country thru the ballot box. Texas is on its way towards going like CA. There is a direct correlation between immigration and voting patterns. Harris and Dallas Counties are the harbingers of things to come

[A CA Guy]

Perry says a lot of things.

He leaves the candy out to bring in and enable the illegals though.