Posted on 09/23/2011 12:13:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
The first observation I noted on Twitter about this breaking story was, “So who is the Party of No now?”
After we FINALLY got a continuing resolution out of the House to keep the government running past the end of the month, the Senate has turned around and rejected it. I don’t know how this movie ends, but I’m fairly sure it’s going straight to DVD.
The Senate on Friday rejected the GOP-led House’s bill to avert a government shutdown, intensifying a partisan standoff that many in Congress hoped to avoid. The vote was 59-36.
Democrats in the Senate, who are in the majority, oppose Republican efforts to roll back “green” energy programs to pay for aid for victims of Hurricane Irene and other disasters. They say disaster aid, usually a bipartisan issue, should not require cuts elsewhere — especially to programs creating green jobs — as the GOP majority in the House now demands.
The two sides are racing the clock, as the Federal Emergency Management Agency is expected to run out of disaster money Monday.
Welcome to the Party of No Club. (TM) So we came within a few inches of actually having you all do your jobs and keep things going and you decided to play tit-for-tat and shoot down the bill to hang on to a pool of money for a “green jobs” incentive program which was largely going unspent anyway? Oh, my.
Now we have Reid calling for a new vote Monday evening, even though Congress was supposed to be in recess by then. What is going on here? Discuss.
What exactly do you need to so urgently know to understand the situation?
I’m sure the members here and I can answer any question you might have.
Try us.
Republican conservative sounding candidates that present themselves as nutbags are Christmas presents for Democrats, then when we feel forced to circle the wagons and justify statements that make little sense that is their Birthday presents too rolled into the holiday. I made a rule for myself based on her, THE ANGLE RULE.
Sort of a lose/lose scenario.
There is a trade-off between “smooth talking” candidates like Romney and candidness who will speak candidly. No, I am not saying Perry should be the nominee either.
Another way of saying this is there is a trade-off between the chance of electing a decent conservative vs. a RINO who seems to have a better chance of being elected. The problem is, the probabilities change as the election nears. Maybe a conservative would have beaten Obama, but it was McCain’s turn.
With 20-20 hindsight, we think that other conservatives probably would have beaten Reid. Or would they? Hispanics voted 86–14 against Fiorina, and 81–19 against Ken Buck. Should we blame the primary voters in NV for voting for Angle? The NRA was also really grateful to Reid for the Pork, and the unions were much better organized than the GOP.
Understand your statements. That is why I mention the broken canoe shortly approaching the last set of big rapids full of some really big rocks, before the final plunge off the edge of the very high waterfall. I take no pleasure in speaking like that.
The disaster in NV is not directly comparable to the two POTUS election races 2012 and 2008 so I will not address those comments but just the above. Nor does this compare well to what happened in DE with CO'D.
NV was an ideal place to pick off a trophy seat Senate Leader Reid. The economy was the worst in the country, Obama publically told CEOs NOT to go to LV NV for business meetings, and Reid has a dull personality impossible to sympathize with. It was a easy win.
SA was a (appeared to be) a basket case to voters and I gave specific examples. She was able to help Democrats motivate (unemployed) Hispanics without a beneficial gain of a more beneficial motivation of whites to voters to compensate. A late commercial specifically telling Hispanics to NOT vote made this worse.
Did they have to select a Romney or Spector or Colins instead? No, My understanding is that Sue Lowden was a perfectly fine candidate with the experience to win an election like that. Certainly better than Reid. In fact she (Louden) said many times that Reid was running ads against her in the R primary so he could go up against Angle instead.
Losing the trophy seat was a huge failure. No way I can spin it. To NOT learn is to repeat the same mistakes.
In one word: YES.
Reid was dead in the polls. Everything else aside he would have lost if we hadn't nominated the one loser idiot who could have blown it. Some of us warned everyone nominating Angle was idiotic but they fell for her self-crowned Queen of the Tea Party act. Angle is like a pitcher who gave up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th. Lowden wins that race, Tarkanian wins that race, a potted plant wins that race.
Thanks, and I was posting her commercials here in threads and rooting for her to beat Reid in my comments; but I could see she was a disaster candidate.
This got started because MU mentioned the NV Senate race and I replied to him pinging you two and DDD challenged my point with the above. I always find him (DDD) helpful and appreciate it when he reads my comments and plays polite (gentleman) contrarion to my points. Many times what passes for discourse is something like :"Go to hell stupid",
Angle is like a pitcher who gave up 6 runs in the bottom of the 9th.
After looking at Angle's comment about "spoiled" unemployed workers, I agree. But it was not a baseball game. There is no coach you can replace for telling the voters to vote for the wrong person. All you can do is try to convince the people you know.
Did she call unemployed workers "spoiled" in the primary? If so, you had good reason to warn others. Sometimes it's difficult to foresee the mistakes a candidate is going to make in the future though. I don't live in NV.
However, I saw some dirty tricks from Dems that smeared both Lowden and Angle at the same time. I don't blame Angle for that.
Lowden wins that race, Tarkanian wins that race, a potted plant wins that race.
You may be right, and now that I see what happened, I wish Lowden had been the nominee, but there were some complications. I debated NRA members here on FR who were for Reid. Also, Reid had the political machine (unions, etc.) in place. Do you think Lowden's organization would be guaranteed to be competitive?
It may have been closer than we’d have liked but I can’t see Lowden (even with a gaffe or 2 herself) or Tarkanian losing that one.
People on here were backing Reid? They should be banned, period. I hate those NRA die-hard tools who apologize for their absurd endorsements of democrats but actually going along with them? That’s insane.
Thanks. Maybe I am like Don Quixote, who can be crazy in one moment but does better in another.
Quixote, Book I, ch. 37: Don Quixote delivered his discourse in such a manner and in such correct language, that for the time being he made it impossible for any of his hearers to consider him a madman....
Many times what passes for discourse is something like :"Go to hell stupid",
Much worse than that, as you know. It is just amazing that posters, to "defend" their favorite politician, can copy a mindless, trollish phrase posted thousands of times and call the recipient an idiot in the same post.
Hard to believe they are still posting here.
Just let me repeat a previous point. In an interview she said the unemployed were soft by staying on unemployment comp. I have endlessly argued against the destructive nature of long unemployment comp (especially on the unemployed) and still do. But for her to make statements phrased like that in NV the worst hit state in the country was throwing the race to Reid. And it accomplished NOTHING.
Someone who sounds Conservative with no common sense (no infringement on Palin TM intended LOL) in front of a mike is a disaster and a gift to the left.
I saw Louden in a number of interviews and she didnt come across as the nutbag that Angle did,
A gift to the Left. Message to NV unemployed voters: "You are lazy." It has some truth to it, but most politicians have more sense than to say their thoughts out loud. I wish Leftists would be more honest about what they think of us.
The idea is to convert others, to convince others. The world is full of nutbags with every possible view that EACH think that they are right and the worlds problems are proof of it.
There is a way to talk about unemployment comp being destructive that can be convincing, but telling the voters you SPECIFICALLY need TO VOTE FOR YOU that they are lazy and then hiding on FNC so you are not asked about it is stupid.
I have had some freepers tell me that everyone that got burned in the housing bubble morally deserved what they got. But I have pointed out many times, you didnt hear elected Republicans or the talk radio leaders warning us when GWB was POTUS. The talk of the time was it was real economic growth.
True. I knew what she meant, but I can imagine being unemployed in NV and hearing her say "spoiled." A good example of "adding insult to injury."
Both your descriptions are noted as to the reasons why Nevada re-elected a “real potted plant”. Water over the damn that we have to live with. I’m getting a head ache already. Have to jump in the shower shortly for a visit by family members. Perhaps that will take my mind off of our national problems for a bit.
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