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E-verify News Conference
The Sacremento Bee ^ | 9/21/2011 | Take Back Washington

Posted on 09/21/2011 10:04:13 AM PDT by tedw

Representatives of almost 30 conservative, Tea Party and limited government groups, representing millions, will affirm their opposition to the bill that would make E-Verify mandatory for all workers and businesses, according to Kathryn Serkes of Take Back Washington. Last week, the group launched a media campaign and sent a letter to Congress outlining their concerns.

Read more: http://www.sacbee.com/2011/09/21/3927076/e-verify-news-conference-today.html#ixzz1Ybi2lzpE

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: everify; immigration
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These misguided "Conservatives" are continuing their attack on E-verify. E-verify is a great system and is supported by the majority of Conservatives and Tea Party members. With friends like this, who needs enemies?
1 posted on 09/21/2011 10:04:14 AM PDT by tedw
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To: tedw; abigail2

E-verify under attack


2 posted on 09/21/2011 10:06:33 AM PDT by tedw (Constitution)
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I read about this yesterday. I don’t understand their opposition at all.


3 posted on 09/21/2011 10:07:50 AM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: tedw
I don't get this, either. These 30 or so TP "leaders" seem to be claiming all kinds of our civil liberties will be effected with E-Verify legislation. Well, my civil liberties are being violated with the influx of illegals and associated costs (medical, education, welfare, etc.).

Until the gov't does their job, someone has to.

4 posted on 09/21/2011 10:08:54 AM PDT by Jane Long (Soli Deo Gloria!)
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To: tedw

This makes no sense at all. Something here stinks.

I don’t buy it.


5 posted on 09/21/2011 10:11:27 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Those who love liberty love Sarah)
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To: tedw

Not long ago I read that Obama’s SS got rejected by E Verify - related? I wouldn’t put anything past the Kenyan usurper.


6 posted on 09/21/2011 10:13:42 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Those who love liberty love Sarah)
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To: tedw

I wonder if this has anything to do with someone using E-Verify to find out that Obama’s Social Security Number does not qualify him to work in the USA


7 posted on 09/21/2011 10:16:59 AM PDT by Mr. K (Palin/Bachman 2012- unbeatable ticket~!!!)
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To: Jane Long

Note involvement of Bruce Fein — ex Reagan DOJ appointee — trashed Bush over Patriot Act and Gitmo issues and called for Bush’s impeachment. He is now calling for Obama’s impeachment over the same issues!.


8 posted on 09/21/2011 10:19:41 AM PDT by BohDaThone
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To: tedw

I’d expect Dick Armey and his FreedomWorks “tea party” might be behind this. GOP Texans are a major, major problem for the GOP, the tea party and the country.

Texas has the easiest big business donating to campaigns and Texas is rife with companies that have been making a fortune off of cheap illegal labor—while the rest of us taxpayers pick up the tab for it.

I don’t see FreedomWorks actually listed there, but believe me, this has been a top priority behind Armey’s involvement in this whole movement. There’s likely some backdoor funding or other incentives behind the scenes.

(And no, I’ve no proof at all.)


9 posted on 09/21/2011 10:27:10 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: tedw

Everybody on the thread listen up!
The devil is in the details.

There is nothing wrong with E-Verify, although some of these listed opponents are “conservatives” who actually still want cheap labor. That is hypocrisy, but it is not the defect in this bill. Some of the others are libertarians who don’t want government in anything.

The real defect in this bill and the reason it must be defeated, is that the Chamber of Commerce lobbyists who wrote it have hidden deeply inside it a pre-emption clause that would invalidate all state and local laws passed to control illegal immigration because the feds won’t.

If passed, those laws in Arizona, Georgia, Prince William County Virginia, etc., will be voided. Right now, the only controls on illegal immigration are these state and local laws. The Republican Establishment and the Wall Street Journal and the Chamber of Commerce can’t tolerate these local laws interfering with agenda for open borders and cheap labor. And they think they can sell this law as a control on illegal immigration when in effect it is means of stopping existing controls, knowing that the feds will never enforce immigration laws, even this E-Verify attempt.

This law is a lie. It needs to die.


10 posted on 09/21/2011 10:33:45 AM PDT by oldbill
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ACLU is against E-verify too.

With friends like this, who needs enemies?

More on EVerify:
http://www.cis.org/Everify


11 posted on 09/21/2011 10:35:20 AM PDT by WOSG
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Because you don’t understand the REAL reason behind illegal immigration: businesses (large and small) want cheap labor.

And not just cheap labor, but cheap labor they can abuse as they want. If an illegal immigrant is told to clock out after 35 hours, and work an additional 20 hours off the clock, who can they complain to? If an illegal immigrant is told to ignore safety protocals, then is injured on the job, who are they going to complain to? If an illegal immigrant is told to ignore sanitation regulations in a food processing plant, who are they going to complain to? If an illegal immigrant is told to ignore any of a hundred other workplace regulations, who are they going to complain to?

The real driver of illegal immigrations in this country (and why the GOP never does anything about it) is business. Businesses that want cheap labor AND to ignore all kinds of business regulations. Somthing they can do with an employee that is an illegal immigrant, because the illegal immigrant won’t report/complain to the authorities because of a fear of being deported.

E-verify makes it impossible for these businesses to hire illegal immigrants and stock their company with empolyees they can abuse. That’s the reason they oppose e-verify.


12 posted on 09/21/2011 10:40:35 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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there are other ways we can deal with illegals without screwing over the freedoms of everyone else

AttackWatch + e-verify = our worst nightmare


13 posted on 09/21/2011 10:41:10 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Thank you, Bob!)
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To: tedw

What is the agricultural exemption in this bill?


14 posted on 09/21/2011 10:42:15 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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Yes, Ted, but with Section 6 in place, this bill is an exercise in futility. We support this bill, but not with the Chamber of Commerce and ImmigrationWorksUSA-authored fig leaf Section 6 to stop Arizona, Alabama and others from punishing employers. the lesson of Obama’s amnesty decree is that the Executive branch cannot be trusted to enforce immigration laws in this nation. Bush and Obama both have made them political footballs as the nation’s workers and legitimate businesses have suffered.


15 posted on 09/21/2011 10:42:55 AM PDT by montag813 (http://www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: ari-freedom

Shoot them for a bounty?


16 posted on 09/21/2011 10:43:57 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: BfloGuy
I read about this yesterday. I don’t understand their opposition at all.

It's quite simple. Half the groups are Libertarians, who are idiots on immigration, living in a fantasy world. The other half are fake "tea party" groups who are shills for the Left.

17 posted on 09/21/2011 10:44:21 AM PDT by montag813 (http://www.StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Brookhaven
The real driver of illegal immigrations in this country (and why the GOP never does anything about it) is business.

And you have the reason why Democrats are not only doing nothing about it, but actively encouraging more to come in?

Or were you just trolling with canards?

18 posted on 09/21/2011 10:46:46 AM PDT by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: tedw
For your reference, here is one of the key provisions of this law, and the reason it must die. If Rep Lamar Smith were honest, he would cut this provision out, but it was written in by the Chamber of Commerce lobbyists who insist it remains in it:

SEC. 6. PREEMPTION.

Section 274A(h)(2) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1324a(h)(2)) is amended to read as follows:

(2) PREEMPTION- The provisions of this section preempt any State or local law, ordinance, policy, or rule, including any criminal or civil fine or penalty structure, insofar as they may now or hereafter relate to the hiring, continued employment, or status verification for employment eligibility purposes, of unauthorized aliens.

By the way, it it is also a de facto amnesty for those illegals already hired, if you read the text concerning "continued employment". So anybody already on your rolls is exempted from this law, and don't think employers will not come up with magical papers showing their employees were already hired.

19 posted on 09/21/2011 10:47:03 AM PDT by oldbill
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Can you point to the section or sections in the bill where this clause is?


20 posted on 09/21/2011 10:49:18 AM PDT by Ratman83
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