Posted on 09/16/2011 8:00:31 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
I love the smell of bloodlust in the evening.
Not every evening. Just the evenings that have Republican presidential debates.
There have been five such debates so far, but only the last two of them have been considered major because they have featured Texas Gov. Rick Perry, who is leading in the polls.
Except the debates havent really featured him. They have featured the audience.
If you have ever asked yourself how crowds could have gathered to cheer public burnings and beheadings in times past, tune in to one of these debates, and you will stop asking.
At a Politico/NBC debate last week in Simi Valley, Calif., Brian Williams began asking Perry about one unique aspect of his record: the number of people Texas has put to death.
Williams: Gov. Perry, a question about Texas. Your state has executed 234 Death Row inmates, more than any other governor in modern times. Have you . . .
At this point, at least part of the audience burst into loud applause and whistles and stopped only because Williams continued with his question.
Williams: . . . have you struggled to sleep at night with the idea that any one of those might have been innocent?
Perry: No, sir. Ive never struggled with that at all. . . . You kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, youre involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is, you will be executed.
Here the audience erupted into very loud, prolonged applause with a couple of whoops thrown in. It was certainly the biggest audience reaction of the evening, so much so that Williams asked a good follow-up question on the fly.
Williams: What do you make of that dynamic that just happened here, the mention of the execution of 234 people drew applause?
Perry: I think Americans understand justice.
Flash forward to Mondays debate, this time in Tampa and sponsored by CNN and the Tea Party Express.
The moderator was Wolf Blitzer, who was trying to pin down Ron Paul, a libertarian and a physician, on the question of what you do about a young man who refuses to buy health insurance and then gets deathly ill.
Paul: What he should do is whatever he wants to do, and assume responsibility for himself. My advice to him would (be to) have a major medical policy, but not be forced . . .
Blitzer: But he doesnt have that. He doesnt have it, and he needs intensive care for six months. Who pays?
Paul: Thats what freedom is all about, taking your own risks . . .
Raucous applause and whistling broke out from the audience, almost covering up the rest of Pauls answer.
Paul: This whole idea that you have to prepare and take care of everybody . . .
Blitzer: But congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?
Yeah! a man screamed loudly from the audience, setting off more applause.
Paul: No.
And then Paul explained how when he practiced medicine before Medicaid, the churches took care of the uninsured and we never turned anybody away from the hospitals.
But it was the audience that made the news, not Paul. Some people wondered how you cheer for letting a sick person die.
Easy. You just open up your mouth and spew. And it became one of the debate moments that people remembered.
The next morning, Perry, probably after being briefed by his handlers, told reporters: I was a bit taken aback by that myself. Were the party of life. We ought to be coming up with ways to save lives.
Jacob Weisberg of Slate called the audience reaction medieval, Tommy Christopher of Mediaite called it ugly and ghoulish and many news organizations carried the story that Ron Pauls former campaign manager, a libertarian, died at age 49 in 2008 from viral pneumonia, was uninsured and left $400,000 in medical bills for his mother and friends to pay.
There have been a number of loud and ugly moments in Americas recent political history, ranging from Rep. Joe Wilson (R-S.C.) shouting, You lie! during President Barack Obamas address to a joint session of Congress in September 2009 to the cheering for a sick persons death in Tampa this week.
But at least Wilson was forced by the leaders of his party to apologize for his boorishness. In Tampa, those who want to be the future leader of the Republican Party stood on stage in utter silence, not one using the moment to rebuke the crowd for its behavior.
It is said there is wisdom in crowds. But sometimes a crowd is just a mob that happens to be sitting down.
But sometimes a crowd is just a mob that happens to be sitting down.”
AND sometimes a columnist, is just a homo looking for his next gig....
What a puke this Roger Simon is.
Paul always has that tendency to punk out when pressed.
St Rick was the one who was “taken aback” (punked out)
"Kill those white 'cracker' babies"
Perry blew it as well.
Blitzer: But congressman, are you saying that society should just let him die?
Paul: No.
OK, so who pays?
The next morning, Perry, probably after being briefed by his handlers, told reporters: I was a bit taken aback by that myself. Were the party of life. We ought to be coming up with ways to save lives.
But I didn’t hear any good ideas from Perry either. Again, who pays for the sick guy who has no money and no insurance?
“...many news organizations carried the story that Ron Pauls former campaign manager, a libertarian, died at age 49 in 2008 from viral pneumonia, was uninsured and left $400,000 in medical bills for his mother and friends to pay.”
How does one leave debts to one’s mother and friends? Did they somehow obligate themselves to pay?
I know an administration apologist who is a lawyer and is over 50, a smoker and no health ins. I think it’s irresponsible, but she does it. And she shares prescriptions, has her kids share inhalers...........I told her I couldn’t talk about it anymore; I didn’t agree with it. She accuses anyone who has a policy difference with the administration of “hate”.
On the plus side, she is pro-life.
I don’t mind liberals perceiving conservatives as savages to be feared. Sometimes I wish it were true.
Regardless of Paul’s, Perry’s, or anyone’s answer to the hypothetical posed, it is ridiculous for the media to cling to crowd reaction. We could compile a laundry list of youtube videos depicting liberal/Democrat crowds cheering violence, racism, etc. The desperation is palpable.
The noise came from a handful of Paul supporters but the Tea Party is getting blamed.
WE ARE NOT THE PARTY THAT MURDERS... DIMS ARE THE PARTY OF MURDER... THEY KILL AND THEN SELL BABIES... THE MOST INNOCENT AMONGST US.
LLS
The point that neither Paul nor Perry made clear is that the crowd was mocking the liberal stupidity of the questioners rather than cheering anyone’s death.
exactly. Stupid straw man question that the crowd was sarcastically cheering, IMO.
I watched MSNBC that night (I like it for the laughs), and they were apoplectic over the crowd cheering. I thought it was funny myself.
Or these:
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"When Simon dies, he intends to be buried in Chicago, so he can still participate in the politics of that city."
To be fair, it was a hypothetical sick person's hypothetical death.
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