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Did Ron Paul just defend al Qaeda? Presidential candidate's campaign rocked by comment at GOP debate
Daily Mail UK ^ | September 13, 2011

Posted on 09/13/2011 5:07:39 AM PDT by rightwingintelligentsia

Republican Presidential candidate Ron Paul was hushed by deafening boos from a crowd of Tea Partiers at Monday's GOP Presidential debate, after suggesting America's foreign police played a role in the 9/11 terrorist attacks.

Mr Paul attempted to position his argument to slash military spending, contending that occupation was the 'real motivation' behind acts of terrorism by Muslim extremists against the U.S.

But a provocative retort from presidential candidate, Pennsylvania lawmaker Rick Santorum, instead drew wide support, after he dismissed Mr Paul's comments as 'irresponsible'.

Prior to the Tea Party debate, Mr Paul, 76, had reflected on the U.S. response to the 9/11 attacks in his weekly Texas Straight Talk column.

He argued that 'the attacks of 9/11 deserved a response. But the manner in which we responded has allowed radicals in the Muslim world to advance a very threatening narrative about us and our motivation in occupying their lands.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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To: triumphant values
It was quite a coup in the conservative movement in the 1950s . .

. . and most of us who weren't that aware of politics until decades later never knew what happened.

It's our inheritance from WFB and his CIA cronies.

61 posted on 09/13/2011 9:19:06 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: JDW11235; ilgipper
STATED reasoning behind the attack

Which, as you just admitted, means Dr Paul did simply restating Al Qeda propaganda as fact. He did do exactly what the story say he did. Dr Paul regurgitated post 09-11Al Qeda propaganda almost verbatim.

62 posted on 09/13/2011 9:20:28 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: Notary Sojac
(2) ten years of no-win whack-a-mole in which our blood and treasure are spilt so that the Islamists can gain power in both Iraq and Afghanistan...

Only problem, has has been made abundantly clear to you on thread after thread over the years, your feelings about Iraq and Afghanistan as expressed above have utterly no base in fact.

Your feelings are not facts, learn the difference.

63 posted on 09/13/2011 9:23:30 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: jjm2111
I don’t believe they are 100% right and the Palis have some legitimate grievance

You really need to educate yourself on this topic then. The leadership of the Palis have made clear they will never make peace with Israel under any conditions.

They have no legitimate grievances. Their only grievance is Israel exists. That is not a legitimate grievance

64 posted on 09/13/2011 9:26:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: PghBaldy
He is not wrong when he says Al Qaeda attacked us because of our troops in Saudi Arabia. Al Qaeda said as much.

So he did EXACTLY what this story said he did. He uncritically repeated Al Qeda post 09-11 propaganda as fact. Spin as hard as you want, the fact remains he did do it.

65 posted on 09/13/2011 9:33:29 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: jjm2111
"...Palis have some legitimate grievances."

And just what might those so-called "legitimate"grievances be?

That Israel exists?

66 posted on 09/13/2011 9:35:09 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Dead Corpse
We don't need to be anywhere other than here and where ever we are fighting an actual war.

Your complete ignorance of military logistics is showing when you make those sorts of simplistic sweeping nonsensical statements.

Glad you have feelings. Quit confusing them for facts.

67 posted on 09/13/2011 9:35:58 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Not exactly. I won’t argue with the fact that Ron Paul obviously is an apologist for America, but I will watch it again, but as far as I recall he never said Palestine was treated unfairly (as the original poster to whom I replied said), though, he did say a number of other things. The Palestine subject was brought up when he started naming the things which Al Qaeda gave as the cause of the attack, he didn’t say that was the reason (though, he did with other things, like our military presence there).

In any event, I don’t want to turn this thread into a straining at gnats and swallowing camels quibble. I merely said it’s important to correctly identify what he said. I disagree with Dr. Ron Paul on a variety of issues, the cause of Al Qaeda’s attacks being only one.


68 posted on 09/13/2011 9:40:00 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: triumphant values; logician2u
Actually the "trump" here is how utterly resistant the fringe Dincon wing of the GOP are to changing their 1930s Isolationist dogmas to fit modern economic-political reality.

No matter what happens anywhere in the world, the Dinocon dogma is the same "Hide out in Fortress America and do nothing".

It amazing how in a post 09-11 world the Dincons still cannot wake up to the plain fact that there is no place for them to hide anymore.

These foes will come to you if you do not go get them 1st. These foes have no desire to "live and let live".

69 posted on 09/13/2011 9:41:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie
Coming from you, that is entirely meaningless.

We can project force from our home soil faster than any other Nation on Earth.

We do NOT need to be in their back yards "Nation Building".

70 posted on 09/13/2011 9:48:56 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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To: JDW11235
was trying to make, he stated what the STATED reasoning behind the attacks,

As you stated yourself, he simply regurgitated the Al Qeda propaganda lines with NO challenge or question. He stated them as fact without any sort of critical thought.

He did exactly what the story say he did.

71 posted on 09/13/2011 9:50:56 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

I was not referring to the story, I was posting a subsequent comment to a commenter. Thank you for your opinion, it’s noted.


72 posted on 09/13/2011 9:54:26 AM PDT by JDW11235 (I think I got it now!)
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To: MNJohnnie
Your feelings are not facts, learn the difference.

Comparing September 10, 2001 to September 12, 2011...can you name any Middle Eastern countries in which Islamism is significantly weaker than it was ten years ago?

73 posted on 09/13/2011 10:19:03 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (Nothing will cure the economy but debt deleveraging, deregulation, and time.)
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To: Notary Sojac

An ignorant opinion strongly felt is still an ignorant opinion. Screaming it louder will not magically change your feelings to facts.


74 posted on 09/13/2011 10:34:59 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie; SZonian
I'm not going pretend to be an expert on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Nor do I dispute that the Hamas / Hezbollah leadership want to see Israel destroyed. However, the Greater Israel movement and the aggressive settling plans of the Israeli right do contribute, not equally of course, to the conflict. I believe Michael J. Totten sums it up this column:

The Greater Israel movement in no way excuses the Greater Palestine movement to abolish the state of Israel “from the river to the sea.” Likewise, the Greater Palestine movement can not excuse Greater Israel. I am not playing a moral equivalency game here. Far better to build a house where it does not belong than blow up a cafe or a bus. But it is not necessary for the Israeli settler movement to be as morally bad as Hamas or Islamic Jihad for the movement to still be morally bad.

In a perfect world, both “greater” movement would be defeated simultaneously. But the world is far from perfect, as it always has been, and Palestinian society is more dysfunctional and corrupt than Israeli society. So the Greater Israel movement is being defeated before the Greater Palestine movement, if only because the intifada has been largely walled off from Israel proper. (Critics of Israel’s security fence should acknowledge that it is the very thing that makes Israeli withdrawal even possible.)

I think some, though not all of the West Bank settlements have their issues as well and much of it is caught up in Israeli politics. See this article.

IMO, Israel isn't perfect and isn't 100% right. They're our friends and we should treat them as such, but good friends sometimes have to give tough and unpleasant advice. Just my $0.02.

75 posted on 09/13/2011 11:10:26 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: MNJohnnie; logician2u
Actually the "trump" here is how utterly resistant the fringe Dincon wing of the GOP are to changing their 1930s Isolationist dogmas to fit modern economic-political reality.

Modern economic-political reality? You mean because the world is so much more dangerous now than when isolationism was considered a mainstream policy?

Even though it isn't true. The world was incalculably more dangerous 250 years ago when isolationism was preached far and wide.

Presidents were preaching isolationism when Indians were scalping men, women and children on the frontiers. They were preaching isolationism when the Ottoman Empire was a great world power. They were preaching isolationism when a cholera epidemic could wipe out an entire town's population in weeks and 1 in 10 women died in childbirth.

They were preaching isolationism because even with all those dangers, they knew a government ever expanding its martial circle was the bigger danger.

76 posted on 09/13/2011 11:18:39 AM PDT by triumphant values
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To: Dead Corpse
"We are in 138 Countries around the World."

I don't believe this one bit. I'm guessing that the number, if true, includes any country where a military uniformed US officer has once stepped foot in, or has an office in. Paulhroids would like one to believe that we have military conflict involving US troops in 138 countries.

Ron Paul Drones - The Jihad's Useful Idiots

77 posted on 09/13/2011 1:21:42 PM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: Dead Corpse
The very first link I selected says we have bases in 50 countries. Which is it, 50 or 160?

Do you fact check your own links and beliefs?

78 posted on 09/13/2011 1:27:53 PM PDT by lormand (A Government who robs Peter to pay Paul, will always have the support of Paul)
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To: rightwingintelligentsia
"Does that mean the Democrats have fewer kooks in their ranks than the GOP?"

Nope. It means that the Dems had a lot more kooks in the race they could vote for so the Kook Vote was spread thinner.

79 posted on 09/13/2011 2:17:52 PM PDT by Reo
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To: lormand

Curiously enough, I’m not a supporter of Dr. Paul’s as far as his Presidetial bid is concerned. Thanks for outing yourself as just another ‘bot though.

Does the name “Emannual Goldstein” make you angry?


80 posted on 09/13/2011 2:45:39 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (For those who fight for it, life has a flavor the sheltered will never know.)
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