Posted on 09/12/2011 8:28:25 PM PDT by ConservativeStatement
TAMPA, Fla. -- Key moments in Monday night's GOP presidential debate:
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Big moment:
To open the debate, Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney immediately went after each other on Social Security - with Perry defending his inflammatory language and Romney accusing Perry of scaring seniors.
"It has been called a Ponzi scheme by many people long before me," Perry said. The Texas governor has also called the social safety net a "monstrous lie."
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Her behavior was very telling (imo)and it was disgusting where Romney was concerned.
“True, but to be honest, most of the elected pols in the GOP should be able to do the same. “
Should but they don’t. Instead they fall for traps on SS and gardisil that do nothing against the challenge of facing Obama. Newt avoided the traps, everyone loves him and he kept the focus on Obama where it should be.
Well , I know I will be called a Ronbot for saying this but the anti war issue is going to be huge and republicans don’t see it coming. I don’t know anyone who supports these wars anymore and I am in a very red state. Ron Paul just may win IA and if he does , God help us. However , I do not believe the field is settled yet. Everyone is trying to make Romney and Perry the frontrunners. This time in 07 , Rudy And Fred Thompson were the frontrunners and Mitt , Huck and McCain were running 3rd 4th and 5th in polls.
In other words.... the media reporting on what Perry said is one “monstrous lie” after another.
“She looked awful and her comment backfired on her.”
timbre of her voice doesn’t help her either.
“Ron Paul is now the ONLY anti-war candidate in this race. That’s why he is going to win.”
he could win the Dem primary but Obama would have to step down first.
yeah trying to ‘understand’ al qaeda as anything other than islamofascism the day after Sept 11 is really going to sell. /sarc
You are right about the '07 scenario. Unfortunately it does not apply to '11. Giuliani tried to play his own game by skipping places and focusing on others with his weird timeline. He was out before he got in. Fred was absolutely terrible in the debates, looked bad from the cancer and didn't look like he really wanted to be there. That is why the remaining candidates bulldozed them out of the way in short order.
I see no lack of fire and passion from Perry and Mittens. They are not getting out of the way for anyone. Even the 2nd and 3rd tier candidates are more passionate and engaged than the crop of losers we were stuck with last time.
As for Paul and the anti war issue, no one cares. This is a straight up economy election if there ever was one.
In the first place, you don't appear to know much. Second, that hypothetical is a far different thing than passing a law saying we need to give illegals financial breaks we deny to native born Americans from the whole rest of the country.
As far as I'm concerned Perry stands exposed as a chickenshit sound biter. That's all.
“Newt would destroy Obama in a debate.”
Yes, he would. People can say what they want about him, but he’d be the best. I’d rate Herman Cain second, ‘cause he’s outstanding. I just worry about him perhaps being caught offguard on some relatively small detail by the MSM, but 90-95% of the time, he’d kick BHO’s butt in debate. That should be more than sufficient, but the “iffy” 5 or 10% is what the liberal media would seize upon, for days if not weeks.
“Outside of Huntsman,Santorum and Paul, I think any of the remainder could carry the fight and save the Republic”
What’s the problem w/Santorum? I’d take him over Romney any day.
She was flailing about for a life preserver for her faltering campaign. Her outright lies were unpresidential, even Democratic in their delivery.
Putting on her pleading mommy face to claim Rick Perry robbed little girls of "choice" was SICK.
She knew she was lying and did it anyway. Adopting the pandering language of "choice" is a perverse thing for a supposedly pro-life Republican to do. It was sad and demeaning.
“Odd wasn’t it? I mean Romney is on the left, is a true RINO and yet she attacks Perry but kisses Romney before the debate. Pictures show her looking adoringly up into Romney’s face...simply disgusting.”
You call Romney as on the left and a true RINO when Perry was the one who was actually a Democrat, is terrible on illegal aliens, and has been a slick gov’t professional pol for 30-35 years of his gov’t life. You make me laugh.
I may see you that on Mittens but all Rick can talk about is the two senate elections he won. What about the last election he lost to Casey? 59% to 41% of the vote. The largest margin of defeat for an incumbent Senator since 1980.
Not exactly a confidence builder for a national run. He’d be a plausible VP candidate.
Perry and Romney are essentially the same but with outward regional differences.
well not exactly......
Rick Perry is pitted against Mitt Romney, the governor of Massachusetts, capital, Boston, Greater Boston is 4.5 million people. It is the only metro area in Massachusetts of such size
Rick Perry is Governor of Texas…… Greater Houston is 5.4 million folks, Dallas Fort Worth is 6.4 million and San Antonio is 2.2 million. Even the western metro area of El Paso exceeds at 650,000 exceeds any smaller than Boston Massachuttes area.
In spite of the fact there are several large populated cities, Texas is an agricultural, make that great agricultural, state. Texas has cotton fields that exceed the size of some states.
The city population has a rural flavor even though they are decidedly citified. Rick Perry Went to Texas A&M, An Aggie, A farmer? no a rancher. There are tremendous areas where cattle are raised. There is a ranch in Texas bigger than Rhode Island or Delaware. These are people of the land who produce incomprehensible quantities of stuff to eat and fibers to wear. They do what they do by using the leading edge technology applied by Texas A&M. They are the best in the world at what they do and are far, very far from being bumpkins. Rick Perry is evolved from these roots. (Texas also has major league seafood producers, but I digress)
The roads in the Bay state are falling apart and a third are said to be in poor condition. The cost of repairs to vehicles is in effect a tax, a bad road tax. The governor Romney and others are unable to do the simple task of keeping the roads up. Meanwhile, the roads in Texas are good to excellent and there are far more miles than in the state up north. We must not be guilty of giving Gov Perry the total credit for the excellence of the Texas roads, from interstates and city freeways down to the thousands of miles of well designed and paved farm roads, but he administered the state that developed and maintained the excellence.
There are many other points that can be made about many different aspects of governance and aspects of ordinary life, but the status of the roads is an indicator that carries the principle. The roads are an indicator of excellence and stewardship. The bad roads are also an indicator of the inability to cope or purposeful disregard and perhaps priorities that are misplaced.
Being Governor of Texas requires a much vaster vision than being governor of Massachusetts. The vision required for governing Texas and that actually provided by Governor Rick Perry compared to that of Governor Romney is overwhelming.
Massachuttes was. Texas is
Yeah, Paul got 15 votes at the convention in 2008. He will win this one for sure.
I was thinking last night that his back surgery was only two months ago, and I wonder if he's still on any kind of pain meds. I was on a couple of different pain meds last year for a tonsillectomy and this year more recently for septum surgery, and they didn't affect me greatly but sometimes made me a little slower to speak. I noticed it when on the phone with customers; it didn't make me forgetful, but sometimes I would pause for a second or two between words.
And how don’t I know much? Do you live in Texas? How many Texas campaigns have you worked in? How many years have you followed Perry’s political career? Which of the candidates really means to do something akin to Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback? (You know about that without going to a search engine, right?).
Gardasil is a sideshow compared to the illegal issue. Perry has never been as strong on the border as most Texans would like. He needs to be pressed to state exactly what he proposes to do on the illegal problem.
Note that one sign that all of them are squishes on amnesty is that they refuse to discuss what to do with the illegals in the US until the border is “secured”. They are all just leaving themselves room to run left in the general election.
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