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I find Perry's reply most interesting:

Perry said he regretted his decision to push for the vaccine using an executive order, but said he was standing up against cancer. "At the end of the day I am always going to err on the side of life," Perry said. "At the end of the day this was about trying to solve cancer."


So he does he regret doing it or not? My take with a reply like that is he regretted getting caught and raked over it, but not doing it. And to me that disqualifies him. We already have a President now that likes to rule by Executive Order and we sure don't need another.
1 posted on 09/12/2011 7:57:19 PM PDT by Kartographer
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That disqualifies him? He said he should have deferred to the legislature.

There was still and opt-out for the vaccine.

People are making mountains out of Gardasholes.


2 posted on 09/12/2011 8:00:48 PM PDT by Winstons Julia (when liberals rant, it's called free speech; when conservatives vent, it's called hate speech.)
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This was nothing compared to Hunstman calling Santorum a traitor for saying the border wasnt secure.


4 posted on 09/12/2011 8:03:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Please keep your panties on.

The program had an opt out.

Michelle Bachman attack back fired on her.

She made herself look petty and misinformed and oddly mean.
I will not donate to her anymore.

6 posted on 09/12/2011 8:04:07 PM PDT by ncalburt (NO MORE WIMPS need to apply to fight the Soros Funded Puppet !)
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the vaccine has a higher death rate than the cancer

this was about money


7 posted on 09/12/2011 8:04:46 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Rick always seems nervous and unsure when he answers a question. I wish he was more “certain” of himself, more assertive and had more fire in his belly. He makes a great speech but he folds like a cheap suit in the Debates. Just damn!!!!


10 posted on 09/12/2011 8:06:45 PM PDT by no dems (No matter who it might be, when I find out a person is a Democrat, I lose respect for them.)
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***Perry repeatedly found himself in the crosshairs,...***

I thought using the word ‘crosshairs’ automatically gets you law enforcement at your door and your way of life ruined.

Or is that only for Sarah Palin?


11 posted on 09/12/2011 8:07:20 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Those who love liberty love Sarah)
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At least there was an opt-out provision for the Guardisil. All other vaccines are mandatory.


15 posted on 09/12/2011 8:09:04 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma ( You cannot elevate Palin by tearing down Perry)
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What don’t you understand.
He was told it was a Cancer preventer. His mistake was not checking with Abbott to find out if he Constitutionally COULD sign such an order.

I have no doubt that Merck was putting huge pressure on him. Do you want women to die from Cervical Cancer when WE have A PREVENTION MED?

Merck would like to have a State take the heat for it’s drugs.

VIOXX remember was a Merck Drug. At least Perry CARES about LIFE.


16 posted on 09/12/2011 8:09:50 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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Perry's responses to illegal aliens was even weaker: (parphrasing)

- You can't build a wall/fence from Texas to California. (The 15th century Ming Dynasty didn't get that memo!)

- Texas doesn't deny in-state tuition based on how your last name sounds. (Ah, so that's how they award tuition scholarships in Texas... based on how yer last name sounds, pard'ner!)

- It was either in-state tuition for those student or putting them on the Dole. (What kind of an either/or choice is that, as if notifying ICE was not an option?)

25 posted on 09/12/2011 8:15:28 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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What does it matter if there’s an opt out for the vaccine? So next year they rescind the opt out and we have govt controlling the sex lives of 12 year olds. It is wrong morally to impose it, period.

Also, the real travesty is Perry obviously spent very little time studying Gardisil, which is not a vaccine against cancer. Stop saying it prevents cancer like you’re a hero. Gardisal prevents the growth of a MINORITY of Human Papilloma Viruses (about 8 of over 30) that can cause CERVICAL Cancer, which is almost always detected by a yearly pap smear and removed by a cone biopsy. We are not talking cancer like chemo, radiation, etc, except it the most vastly rare cases. Yet the risks of the vaccine are greater than those probabilities.

I’m not saying some women don’t get cervical cancer and die from it, particularly if they do not have check-ups, but that it’s deceiving these women to tell them Gardisal will prevent it. It won’t.


29 posted on 09/12/2011 8:16:39 PM PDT by baa39
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Perry: I gave illegal aliens in-state tuition, it’s the American way!


38 posted on 09/12/2011 8:24:24 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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Trafficant 2012


48 posted on 09/12/2011 8:29:59 PM PDT by Crucial
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Bachmann destroyed her candidacy tonight which is a shame because I considered myself a supporter of hers until this evening.

Perry is vulnerable on Gardasil and border security in the primary. His answer tonight on in-state tuition for illegals, for example, was absurd.

He is also vulnerable on Social Security in the general. On most every other issue he is a solid conservative who is right on the money.

For many though, that is not enough. I now honestly think we are going to successfully destroy ALL of our candidates and hand the election to Hussein on a silver platter.

How depressing.

53 posted on 09/12/2011 8:32:44 PM PDT by comebacknewt (Sheesh. Go away and stay away Newt.)
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It’s about judgement and corporate corruption.Palin told her head of HHS not in Alaska.Check her e-mails.


57 posted on 09/12/2011 8:34:03 PM PDT by littlesorrel
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I'm surprised that so many people are jumping on the Perry bandwagon around here. Perry has not shown me anything special since he got into this race. He is just your typical politician who is a member of the club. If he gets the presidency, nothing will change and another liberal Democrat will replace him in four years - maybe eight.

When Reagan was running for president, there was something special about him. You knew that things would change if he got in - and change for the better. Unfortunately the Republicans haven't nominated anybody that inspiring since. George Herbert Walker Bush...Bob Dole...John McCain. I actually liked George W Bush, but aside from how he handled 9/11, he was basically a disappointment as he seemed so passive and allowed his critics to get the best of him.

Rick Perry does not inspire me and while he undoubtably would be a major improvement over the current occupant of the White House, I do not see him advancing the conservative cause at all. Why are so many of us willing to settle for another mediocrity?

We have some candidates in this race with real passion...Herman Cain, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann and yes, waiting in the wings, Sarah Palin, who reminds me of Reagan more than anybody else.

I want a game-changer as our next president. Not a placeholder.

65 posted on 09/12/2011 8:41:44 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (Waiting for Palin)
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AMEN. I’ve heard that if Perry gets the nomination, the Bush Dynasty will unleash Jeb to “save the day”.

Go Bachmann, go Santorum, go Cain!


73 posted on 09/12/2011 8:49:11 PM PDT by Paperdoll (NO MORE RINOs (BUSHS)!)
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I see that the Republicans are not learning any lessons here, but engaging in demolition derby, instead. Don’t they get it that the Left is hoping that through these debates the public will be turned off and stay home. These are NOT the issues. This is ridiculous! The issue is the harm this president is doing and how are we going to go about recovering America, making her safe and healthy again. This is a waste of precious time.


103 posted on 09/12/2011 9:15:29 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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The TX state law allows Executive Orders. Perry has used it rarely. He said he should have gone to the Legislature first. The Legislature did not pass it, the parents did not like it, and it was dropped a long time ago. It is a NON-ISSUE! Perry is heavily involved in raising money for cancer in TX and is pro-life. I am from TX and have seen what he stands for. I have voted for him in 3 elections, will vote for him in the Primary and as the GOP candidate for President. He can bet Obama plain and simple.


140 posted on 09/12/2011 9:47:25 PM PDT by Grey Eagle
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Perry = Juan McAmnesty. RINO Bush III.


149 posted on 09/12/2011 9:55:09 PM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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He should not regret doing it. He acted in the furtherance of the legislature's public health goals by ensuring the widest dissemination of and coverage for the vaccine. This was a failure of procedure, not intent.

Here's some history to enlighten you on how he came to sign the order.

In 2005, the Texas legislature set a priority to eliminate cervical cancer mortality by 2015 (HB 2475). It directed the state health agency to produce a report and deliver it to the governor by the end of 2006. It did so and that report concluded the vaccine Gardasil made the goal attainable. 47 page report (Acrobat PDF)

Perry signed the order in 2007 protecting parental rights with an opt-out clause while ensuring insurance, Medicaid and other programs would cover the expensive vaccine while an opt-in would not.

The vaccine had been tested and approved by the FDA and recommended by the CDC, NiH, American Academy of Pediatrics and others. A few years later its approved uses have expanded to other types of HPV-related cancers and to use in males.


Note worth quotes from the above documents:

HB 2475 said, "This bill requires the Department of State Health Services to develop a strategic plan to eliminate mortality from cervical cancer by the year 2015…" "The strategic plan must be developed and delivered to the governor and legislature no later than December 31, 2006."

A 47 page report (Acrobat PDF) called "Texas Cervical Cancer Strategic Plan," December 2006, by Texas Department of State Health Services in collaboration with The Texas Cancer Council was delivered.

Page 8, "Executive summary" Armed with this new HPV vaccine, we can achieve the moment when we know our goal — eliminating cervical cancer death and suffering — is in reach.

Page 20, "Access to Care" - "Women must have access to cervical cancer screening to eliminate cervical cancer in Texas. The National Cancer Institute reports that groups of women with high cervical cancer mortality:...

… "Widespread vaccination is a key to reducing cervical cancer incidence in Texas"

181 posted on 09/13/2011 1:24:24 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Will racist demagogue Andre Carson be censured by the House?)
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