Posted on 09/11/2011 2:10:24 PM PDT by Kevmo
Bologna & Uppsala Testing eCat?
admin on September 11, 2011 —
Updated…
For some time now there have been questions regarding independent access to eCats – particularly at Bologna and Uppsala Universities. A private agreement between Andrea Rossi and Bologna is purported to exist that will have a team of researchers performing an analysis of the energy catalysing system. According to AR, this is intended as a means to understand and improve the process and is a commercial agreement between him and the University. The contract would come into force when AR settled the account. Since it is a commercial endeavour, we do not know all the details surrounding the contract. This has led some to throw stones (inferring, for instance, that there is something shady about the money not being paid yet). Less cynical watchers adopt the wait-and-see mode and wonder if the program will begin towards the end of the year when money starts rolling down the eCat pipe.
With no idea of the deals made behind closed doors, it is always possible that funding has begun to roll. We think that Ampenergo has made some payment to Rossi (although we cannot be sure). That seems reasonable given the previous and on-going close relationship between the inventor and Ampenergo’s officers. But what of the mysterious partner we hope to hear about soon? If that partner is indeed an entity with deep pockets and a will to spread the eCat far and wide, it would be in its own interest to grease the wheels.
It is extremely unlikely that a serious and substantial enterprise would get involved with something as loopy as a mysterious device that could save the world without a lot more proof than we have seen in public. Cynics will argue that stupider things have been done and of course we cannot rule it out, but I would bet that these people are not stupid. Proof of such a vigorous reaction is easy to give without compromising secrecy and I would wager that some degree of that has been given to those important to Rossi’s plans. If so, would they have followed Ampenergo’s lead and given AR a much needed financial shot in the arm?
For those who like to complain that there is not enough meat on the bones to talk about anything, they are welcome not to take part in the discussion – it is not compulsory. For the rest of us, it is interesting to try and put the pieces together. It also has a serious purpose. By creating such talking points, we learn from each other so that by the time the meat appears we will have a keener insight into what it means and how the puzzle fits together in the real world.
A few weeks ago, Andrea Rossi told us that there were no eCats anywhere but with him. We also think we know that Uppsala University has no agreement with Rossi (at least that was the case). Now it seems that they and Bologna have eCats and since AR cannot be there to police them, we must assume that, if it is true, they have unsupervised access. So, has the money been paid to Bologna? Has the research program started? Is there now an agreement with Uppsala University or with Essen and Kullander?
In recent AR posts, he tells us that important issues relating to the process and approvals have been solved bringing the promise of domestic eCats closer (thank you, H. Visscher) and that the universities above now have their machines (tip of the hat to Ivan Mohorovicic). He also tells us that ‘prospective’ partners for the Asian and European markets are in play. If the eCat proves to be on the level, there is an avalanche of news waiting to break and I get the feeling that that is going to happen sometime soon. Let’s hope so.
Piers D September 9th, 2011 at 10:26 AM Dear Mr Rossi,
I would like to congratulate all your team who have worked on bringing cold fusion from the lab to industrial and commercial reality. It seems so many years ago that Fleishman and Pons first introduced the concept to the wider global audience. I have two questions that you might wish to answer:
• Have fully working E-Cats been provided to the Bologna and Uppsala Universities for research and testing?
• Do you have any prospective European or Asian partners that will license the E-Cat technology for commercial production?
Yours sincerely
Piers Dickinson
Andrea Rossi September 9th, 2011 at 11:28 AM Dear Piers D:
1- yes
2- yes
Warm regards,
A.R. Andrea Rossi September 10th, 2011 at 1:20 PM
WARNING TO ALL OUR READERS:
I AM RECEIVING THOUSANDS OF REQUESTS OF INVITATION TO VISIT OUR PLANT. FOR OBVIOUS REASONS OF SECURITY WE CANNOT RECEIVE MORE THAN FEW PERSONS PER VISIT.
THE START UP TEST WILL BE RESTRICTED TO FEW SCIENTISTS AND SCIENTIFIC JOURNALISTS. THE TEST WILL BE PUT ONLINE, TO ALLOW EVERYBODY TO SEE IT. FURTHER VISITS WILL BE ALLOWED, BUT IN A LIMITED NUMBER AND RESERVED TO SPECIALISTS AND CUSTOMERS. I AM VERY SORRY TO SAY THAT FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY REASONS IT WILL NOT BE POSSIBLE TO ADMIT ALL THE REQUESTS OF VISIT.
IN ANY CASE THE PRODUCTION AND DISTRIBUTION OF OUR HOUSEHOLD E-CATS TO THE PUBLIC WILL BE MADE SOONER THAN EXPECTED, SINCE THE APPROVALS WILL BE FASTER THAN EXPECTED. VERY IMPORTANT NEWS ON THIS ISSUE ARE CLOSE TO BE MADE.
WARM REGARDS,
A.R.
Updated to highlight a comment from androidDeveloper (thank you)
Kullander does not have an E-cat. This is from a response about this issue:
“Det är riktigt att vi önskar få en E-cat för test och utvärdering i Uppsala. Pga en del fördröjningar har vi ännu inte fått den hit. Hälsn Sven”
Google translation:
“It is true that we wish to have an E-cat for testing and evaluation in Uppsala. Due to some delays, we have not yet received it here. Hälsn Sven
Not sure if Rossi’s answer to Piers D was loose language (perhaps he has actioned it his end but it is yet to happen in fact) or a misunderstanding. A lie would be both unnecessary and silly as the parties would soon deny the fact.
I’ll wait for a reactor to make an appearance next month.
Which statement proves that you haven't studied the issue. Most of the data from the demonstrations is available on-line in many places. Which is why I keep asking folks to actually READ it before blasting off.
And the whole point of sending E-cats to the U. of Bologna and the U. of Upsala is precisely to produce peer-reviewed published studies by not one, but two independent parties.
"Doesn't that worry you a bit?"
Given the above, not at all.
Rossi HAS applied for patents, and has been granted one in Italy. But the USA Patent Office apparently (and wrongly) treats cold fusion like perpetual motion, and refuses even to examine the patents. This is a ludicrous position, because patents have been granted for MANY currently impossible "inventions".
As a holder of a couple of dozen patents, I'm amazed that Rossi has proved as much info as he has, given his current patent status.
Is this another ad for Superhappyfunball?
Ah, Monsieur Gaviota, I see you have returned, in all your intellectual glory. And still "seagulling".
You "do" recall a gentleman (actually probably not a gentleman) named "Dan Rathers"??? And a blog called "Little Green Footballs???
And the "Abuse" button is right where it has always been.
Have you reproduced the results?
Anybody can generate bunch of numbers and say "here's the data."
Doesn't make the data valid, or even real.
Any journal that would publish a "peer-reviewed" article under the conditions set by these charlatans would be a laughingstock.
As I have said on other threads, there are two types of "data"....1)peer-reviewed scientific quality data produced by a second party, and 2) evidentiary data such as eyewitness accounts.
"Have you reproduced the results?"
Nope. Have neither time nor resources to do so.
"Anybody can generate bunch of numbers and say "here's the data.""
Of course, but there is a legitimate dependence on who produced that data. The "argument from authority" does have at least "some" validity. And those who viewed the demonstrations were true experts.
"Doesn't make the data valid, or even real."
Given the quality of the witnesses, the probability is high that the data "is" both real and valid.
"Any journal that would publish a "peer-reviewed" article under the conditions set by these charlatans would be a laughingstock."
Rossi and Focardi TRIED to publish their results in a "peer-reviewed" journal. The journal refused to consider the paper. Which is NOT the action of a pair of "charlatans".
I assume that you are unaware of the continuing vendetta (since Rossi is Italian, that is a good word here) of the "hot physics" community against anything related to Cold Fusion/LENR/LANR, using precisely the same tactics that the people pushing AGW (also mostly physicists) used in "Climategate". They largely control the peer review process in those journals. And it has NOT been pretty. But the point of the whole article is that "if" E-cats have indeed been delivered, then peer-reviewed results WILL be forthcoming.
Well it is supposed to be “Proton Capture” principle, but you would have to over come the Electyromagnetic force repulsion to get the energy unbound by the strong and weak nuclear forces.....
Not as easy as it sounds.
At some point they will need to just release how to buidl the danged thing on the internet because as it stands it looks liek something thast could be built by a somewhat knowledgeable schmoo at a decent machining shop...
Sometimes you would just have to pull a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_There_Be_Light_(short_story)
And just upset the damned apple cart reguardless of if you get anything oput of doing that or not.
Certainly true for the base reactor components. For the formulation of the catalyst....maybe not so much. If Rossi's system (or heck, one of the others like Piantelli or Ahearn) pans out, we will be in "interesting times" in the Chinese proverb sense.
My comments obviously went WAY over your little head.
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