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Feds to assume control of Bastrop Co. fire; TX volunteer firemen turned away
Gonzalez Cannon News Daily ^ | 9/6/11

Posted on 09/06/2011 9:07:28 PM PDT by My Favorite Headache

BASTROP — Firefighting-trained volunteers from around the state converged on Bastrop and Smithville Tuesday to lend a hand to the beleaguered local firefighters battling the Bastrop County Complex Fire — only to be sent away as federal officials arrived at the scene and took command, apparently because local officials never made a formal request for volunteers.

“We were at the station getting set up into strike teams, and this guy came up and said that the U.S. Forest Service had ‘assumed control of the situation, and that ‘If you don’t have a vehicle that squirts water, go home,’” said Gordon Greer of Kirbyville, who drove all night Monday to arrive in the town beset by the worst wildfire in Texas history. “You’ve got guys who had driven all night long from Corpus Christi and Brownsville on their own dime, and they turned them away. He was really a (bleep) about it.

“There was a whole line of beige cars that came in this morning, tinted windows and such,” Greer said.

A spokesperson with the U.S. National Interagency Incident Center, Jennifer Jones, confirmed that federal group of several different agencies would be assuming command in Bastrop County around 1 p.m. Tuesday, but had not done so when the firefighting volunteers were told to leave. April Saginor with the Texas Forest Service said her agency had not given any such order, to her knowledge, but promised to provide an update later in the day.

The question is apparently one of protocol, however.

The Bastrop County Office of Emergency Management announced via its Facebook account Tuesday afternoon that “Any fire mutual aid requests would always come through (and to) Local, State and National fire service and emergency leadership. This message sent as per Texas Fire Chiefs, TIFMAS, IAFC, USFA and FEMA. If you are a fire fighter wanting to volunteer you have to be activated by the National Forestry Service first.”

The Texas Forest Service issued a statement Tuesday evening that it is not requesting firefighters/retired firefighters to report to Central Texas.

"If a person wants to fight fire they can: 1. Apply for a full-time Texas Forest Service position. We are not hiring seasonals as we currently do not have the time to hire, train and certify them. 2. Join a local fire department. 3. Members of local departments should not self-dispatch. Have your fire chief contact TIFMAS Coordinator Joe Florentino at jflorentino@littleelm.org"

Several of the volunteers voiced their displeasure, however, at federal agents taking charge at the scene after appeals by Texas Gov. Rick Perry for federal aid following another series of wildfires earlier this year was turned down.

“They’re willing to sacrifice the lives of the people of Bastrop just so they can come in here and pull rank,” said Daniel Miller of Nederland, who had led a group of Texas Nationalist Movement members who were certified firefighters to Bastrop from the Beaumont area. Miller said he and several other members of the group would remain in the Bastrop area to aid with civilian relief efforts.


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To: My Favorite Headache
So now Obama's going to burn Texas.
41 posted on 09/07/2011 6:11:37 AM PDT by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge MA grad student. Many conservative Christians my age out there? __ Click my name)
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To: blackdog

I know you’re trying to be clever. . .

There’s not enough moisture here to keep grass alive, legal or otherwise.

Give it a rest.


42 posted on 09/07/2011 6:20:17 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: KTM rider
you don't just dispatch yourself to Afghanistan and start shooting the place up, ....and you dont send crews into hopeless fire skirmishes to get burned up

Fighting a fire is not analogous to war. There may be people in government who treat it that way, but the situation is vastly different, particularly in rural areas where local knowledge can be very powerful in dealing with a conflagration.

The unionized "firefighters" in this area have never seen my property. I've managed the vegetation around my home, but the terrain is VERY steep, so there simply is no possibility of denuding the slopes. Thus, no matter what anybody does, a fire coming in would from below would burn the house unless the situation is managed correctly.

With a chainsaw and about thirty minutes, I can have all the residual fuel within 100 feet on the ground. With a drip torch and about ten minutes, that fuel would be gone, safely, as a fire is easily managed from the top down (there is no understory fuel below the slope. I have a fire suit and hoses. I could do it ALL myself, and have a cup of coffee in the process.

Our unionized bureaucrat "firefighters" have NO interest in developing an advance plan for managing fire on this property, the same kind of advanced plan they have for every factory in the valley below (it's called a "run sheet"). Why not? They don't want to be responsible for managing a fire. It's easier to call it an "act of God" and let the claims adjusters deal with it. Then the insurers get to raise the rate base statewide. So, our "wild-land firefighters" (many of them women) get to sit and drink coffee, while collecting overtime. The prisoners from the State prison get to do the hard dirty work of mopping it up.

43 posted on 09/07/2011 6:20:31 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: bigbob
and Perry was in Bastrop yesterday, promising help....hmmmm...

You caught that too, huh. There's a joke going around about needing a campaign picture of him lighting a fire. Big disaster + Perry doing a 'I got this' = Votes.

44 posted on 09/07/2011 6:20:52 AM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: KTM rider

Thank you.


45 posted on 09/07/2011 6:22:31 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Jedidah
There’s not enough moisture here to keep grass alive, legal or otherwise.

You'd be surprised what native perennial bunch grasses can handle in the way of drought stress once they have a compliment of native forbs to prepare the soil.

I have sandy soil. It hasn't rained here since June. We have had 90°F temperatures here for most of three months. I still have green grass.

46 posted on 09/07/2011 6:23:51 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Jedidah
Thank you.

See post 43.

47 posted on 09/07/2011 6:25:26 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Just mythoughts
If these fires are on any part of BamBamKennedy lands they would not have to ask to take control.

There are NO national parks anywhere near any of these fires. They have NO business sticking their noses into our business. There are a couple of Texas state parks, but NO national lands.

48 posted on 09/07/2011 6:27:27 AM PDT by bgill (just getting tagline ready for 6 months after you vote in Perry - Tried to warn you he's a RINO.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Perry is free to attend debates, now.


49 posted on 09/07/2011 6:32:48 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Jedidah; KTM rider
Both of you had best confront the reality of Federal firefighting policy.
50 posted on 09/07/2011 6:34:58 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: Carry_Okie
It is this kind of thinking that leads to Federal wildland firefighting policy.

These are the consequences.

51 posted on 09/07/2011 6:37:57 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: My Favorite Headache

If you read the comments on the article the displeasure is great here in Central Texas.

Obama is after Texas and anyone that doesn’t think so is very niave.


52 posted on 09/07/2011 7:11:41 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Carry_Okie

Not if you have livestock. Or even rabbits.

And nice that you got rain in June.


53 posted on 09/07/2011 7:27:03 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: JoSixChip

thought you were just addin a lil yankee drawl to their southern attempt at dialogue...


54 posted on 09/07/2011 8:12:45 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Rightly Biased
"Obama is after Texas and anyone that doesn’t think so is very [naive]."

I apologize if this has been covered, but who got the Feds involved? Did Gov. Perry request their assistance?

Last I checked, Texas was still a sovereign state. By what right are the Feds invading it?

55 posted on 09/07/2011 8:52:35 AM PDT by In Maryland ("If stupidity got us into this mess, why can't it get us out?" - Mark Twain)
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To: In Maryland

I know Perry was asking for a disaster declaration... but I don’t believe it has been answered..

FEMA is supposedly on site but they don’t have any ahem “money” anyway... its been spent in the blue states

It seems Obama isn’t “wasting a crisis”


56 posted on 09/07/2011 9:00:36 AM PDT by Rightly Biased (Do you know how awkward it is to have a political argument with a naked man?)
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To: Jedidah
Not if you have livestock.

If I had livestock it would be better. I mowed it to the ground in early August; it came right back up. Last year, it went from late May to October, still green and NO rain in that entire time. The soil is intrinsically lousy, but at least is is not suffering the allelopathic and dessicating effects of non-native annual grasses and other broad-leaf weeds.

Of course, I hand-weed it, acres, seven months a year, full-time. I am told by people who should know that ours is perhaps the only restored grassland in North America that is as purely native. You can read more about our project here.

57 posted on 09/07/2011 9:19:27 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (GunWalker: Arming "a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as well funded")
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To: My Favorite Headache

Zero is doing this to make Perry look bad... leaving an emergency situation in Texas to go to the debates.

Zero will have single-handedly snuffed out the fire, just like he single-handedly killed OBL


58 posted on 09/07/2011 9:59:27 AM PDT by Future Useless Eater (Chicago politics = corrupted capitalism = takeover by COMMUNity-ISM)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Isn’t a volunteer, who is willing to put their life on the line for people they will never meet what TX needs right now?

Are the feds going to allow TX to burn to the ground? Doesn’t sound good.


59 posted on 09/07/2011 10:00:41 AM PDT by NoGrayZone ("Islamophobia: The irrational fear of being beheaded." Andrew Klavan of PJTV)
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To: Carry_Okie

I own native grassland, never been plowed.

If green bothers you that much, get a goat.


60 posted on 09/07/2011 10:02:34 AM PDT by Jedidah
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