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Exclusive Report: Documents indicate ATF, FBI allowed Indiana ‘crime gun’ sales
Examiner.Com ^ | September 5, 2011 | David Codrea

Posted on 09/05/2011 9:07:56 AM PDT by PJ-Comix

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has acknowledged an Indiana dealer’s cooperation in conducting straw purchases at the direction of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.  Exclusive documents obtained by Gun Rights Examiner show the dealer cooperated with ATF by selling guns to straw purchasers, and that bureau management later asserted these guns were being traced to crimes.

From the confidential source providing the documents:

The dealer…was sent a "demand letter," based on the number of traces to him, which was retracted after his attorney pointed out they resulted from his cooperation with ATF. (Strangely, he got two voicemails from two different ATF people, both saying they were the head of the tracing operation).

Some of the straw men turned out to have felony convictions, the agents called the FBI background check system and fixed it so the transactions would be approved, something which may also have happened in Phoenix. (The attorney wasn't clear as to whether the guns were actually delivered to the gangs).


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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; dnc4criminals; dnc4hezbollah; dncrico; dncvsamerica; doj4criminals; doj4hezbollah; dojvsamerica; fastandfurious; gunwalker; holder4criminals; holder4hezbollah; holdervsamerica; noaccountability; obama4criminals; obama4hezbollah; obamavsamerica; operationgunwalker; typicaldnctreason
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

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21 posted on 09/05/2011 9:43:04 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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22 posted on 09/05/2011 9:43:56 AM PDT by marktwain (In an age of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: PJ-Comix

OK so...

1. F&F was in Arizona, Florida, and now Indiana —yet there was no, “national operation”

2. 3 WH officials knew, but Obama/Holder did NOT know

3. 200 Mexican cops and 2 US officers died

4. A helicopter was shot down with a .50

5. A casino was burned

I’d say this is JAIL TIME for POTUS, or Holder at least.


23 posted on 09/05/2011 9:44:02 AM PDT by gaijin
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

Thanks for the heads up PJ-Comix

The list, ping

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24 posted on 09/05/2011 9:51:00 AM PDT by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Erik Latranyi
I'm sure many dealers would like to report if it can be done safely. Meanwhile, they're fearful of losing their license.

The wider that "secret" information is spread, the less likely it remains a secret.

25 posted on 09/05/2011 9:51:31 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: PJ-Comix
Let’s retrace the steps:

The Obama administration and Hillary Clinton State Department assert that most of the guns used in Mexican crimes come from America, and that in the name of regional stability "more restriction on law-abiding American Firearms owners are needed and the United States must sign on to the United Nations Small Arms Treaty.

The BATFE begins investigating this “claim”, and creates a “sting operation” to ensure American guns end up in Mexico. Then they force gun dealers to sell firearms to known criminals who smuggle the guns to violent Mexican drug cartels. Agents on the ground in this investigation said that it was a horrible idea, but the operations were authorized and supported by leading officials in the BATFE and the Justice Department.

The mantra of the anti-gun Left is simple: “never let a crisis go to waste.”

And if there isn’t a convenient crisis, go ahead and make one up.

This is exactly the strategy Obama and his anti-gun allies have been practicing for years.

They will use this “crisis” to ram federal gun control legislation down the throats of American citizens.

26 posted on 09/05/2011 10:01:20 AM PDT by ArchAngel1983 (Arch Angel- on guard / The democrat party "Can Go Straight To Hell".)
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To: dila813
wide spread subversion of the system to facilitate crisis to enable public supported changes to society Man, these people are wacko radicals of the worst kind

No, they are Marxists.

27 posted on 09/05/2011 10:04:04 AM PDT by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: PJ-Comix

These communists thought they could put the skids to our 2nd Amendment rights ‘under the radar’ because they thought the gunshop owners would be too scared of losing their license to rat on them.

Then the crackhead adolescents themselves started making demands on the gun shop owners who hired lawyers to remind them that they DID REPORT and the criminals were cleared by NCIS.

These illogical idiots screwed up their own damned ‘under the radar’ plan!

Jail them all, they are criminals! Not to mention freaking communists, and enemies of We The People!


28 posted on 09/05/2011 10:21:03 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: RowdyFFC
These illogical idiots screwed up their own damned ‘under the radar’ plan!

They probably smugly thought they were just so smart and smirking about how they could undermine the Second Amendment "under the radar." It never entered their tiny minds that they would GET CAUGHT.

29 posted on 09/05/2011 10:32:22 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: PJ-Comix

“And what other parts of the country did the ATF command that the guns be allowed to walk into the hands of criminals?”

I believe that it has also been reported to have taken place in Florida and Georgia.

This whole thing was developed to discredit gun dealers and enhance gun violence. This was not to trace guns to the drug cartels (nobody was tracing anything). This would shift public opinion to get gun control in effect before they attempted to take over the country, cancel the 2012 election, disbanded congress, and set up a revolutionary government.


30 posted on 09/05/2011 10:39:17 AM PDT by dirtymac (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country!)
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To: PJ-Comix

I have this sinking feeling that in the end, this will all be covered up.............and these guns certainly may have ended up in New York.


31 posted on 09/05/2011 10:50:33 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: PJ-Comix

What is going to be their total undoing is that think Americans are afraid of them, simply because the pansies in Congress don’t seem to be doing anything.

They haven’t a clue what they will eventually unleash upon themselves. If I thought Congress was smart, I’d think they’re holding back because they know what could unleash. But unfortunately we all know they’re just not that smart.


32 posted on 09/05/2011 10:50:51 AM PDT by RowdyFFC
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To: ken in texas; Squantos
I'm sure many dealers would like to report if it can be done safely. Meanwhile, they're fearful of losing their license.

Lose their license? Only if they are lucky. They can be jailed for cooperating with the feds, and they know it. This is never documented, it's all done verbally. At any time, BATFE can "conveniently" discover the dealer was making known illegal sales, and burn him.

"The BATFE told me it was okay" would be disallowed in court as hearsay, and ridiculed. This entire process is designed to imprison both the dealer and the fed's snitch at the government's convenience.

33 posted on 09/05/2011 11:08:34 AM PDT by 300winmag (Overkill Never Fails)
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To: silverleaf

The Obamanites, the Left, the Democrats, this entire example that is mapping out our future, our direction with such authority are people that absolutely don’t get what this country is all about. They don’t understand self government, they don’t understand anything but BIG GOVERNMENT ala Monarchy, Matriarchy, Dictator, Strongman, Mother, or any strongly feared figure that thinks for them, guides them, instructs them, and if they are good is benevolent towards them, and they revel in the rewards reaped upon them by the powers that are.

The Democrats represent those sorts in our society. The ones that haven’t any idea that the freedom they have is because of their freedom from those sorts.


34 posted on 09/05/2011 11:13:53 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Ping!


35 posted on 09/05/2011 11:15:31 AM PDT by basil (It's time to rid the country of "gun free zones" aka "Killing Fields")
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To: 300winmag

Excellent point sir.


36 posted on 09/05/2011 11:16:08 AM PDT by ken in texas (Can't Afford a Tagline... send money.)
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To: PJ-Comix

obama and Holder could murder children on the White House lawn and the old media would completely ignore it.
There is NOTHING obama or his fellow travellers can do that will turn the hard-core socialists against him.


37 posted on 09/05/2011 11:22:42 AM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: Bigun

Domestic Gun Walkers - whodda thunk it of Obama’s people?


38 posted on 09/05/2011 11:52:48 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: gaijin

I wonder if Drudge will pick up and feature this story?


39 posted on 09/05/2011 12:01:54 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (aka Big Daddy Goo-Goo)
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To: PJ-Comix

Before: Fail 2 cooperate, and you are jailed.

Now: Fail 2 cooperate, u r jailed. But if you DO cooperate, you’ll be jailed, later.

Why do they act like this? Because the left’s view is that we aren’t simply misguided, but instead that we KNOW we are wrong and that we’re KNOWINGLY choosing EVIL.

Because of that, they feel that special measures like F&F are JUSTIFIED. They regret getting caught, sure —that slows them down. But they do NOT feel guilt —they see their efforts as IDEALISTIC.


40 posted on 09/05/2011 12:08:48 PM PDT by gaijin
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