Posted on 09/03/2011 1:35:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
MANCHESTER, N.H. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Rick Perry says he opposes a fence along the U.S. border with Mexico.
Speaking to hundreds of New Hampshire voters at a private reception Saturday afternoon, the Texas governor says a fence would be ineffective and take too long to build.
The comments, which produced one angry shout, expose a rift with some conservative voters over Perry's immigration record. Tea party activists in Texas have been particularly upset by his steady opposition to the fence. He also signed a law giving illegal immigrants in-state tuition for Texas universities.
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If some of those 18% were skilled enough to do the high-tech work that most jobs now require.
There’s a big gap between available jobs and available workers because we have a large, uneducated, unmotivated underclass.
Not everyone, certainly. Lots of good people out of work right now, because of terrible economic policy.
These are times when a high school diploma, a generic college degree, or basic competency just isn’t enough.
Sarah Palin had no trouble defending Perry. Is that beyond you? You think he's part of the problem, Sarah Palin said he was part of the solution. I respect Sarah Palin, and trust her judgement over yours.
Now, you brought up McCain. Give us the quote about what she said about McCain and border security. Then we can discuss whether she was wrong. McCain was for amnesty, but is he bad on border security (assuming you are correct, which we won't know until you provide a quote like I did for Perry): Senators Kyl and McCain propose new border security plan
I'm not going to get into defending McCain here, beyond questioning what exact quote from Palin you are insinuating makes her WRONG about McCain on border security.
It sure is. Just look at those illegal aliens in the video jumping over Border Fence like jack-rabbits.
It is a symbol of, "Look at what those dumb Gringos spent $3 Billion on? A Climbing Wall for our exercise! Hahahaha!!!!"
If you want to get rid of illegals, start hitting illegal EMPLOYERS hard.
When the heat is on and the jobs dry up, illegals deport themselves.
When they are finished and before you pay them, you throw them on the Mexico side.
I actually said he was against it for TEXAS. You are the one who said he opposed Arizona’s law, which was false, as you have now acknowledged in another thread where you posted his support for the Arizona law, inexplicably calling it a “flip-flop” even though he said exactly the same thing he has said all along.
I do appreciate though that you took the time to look it up, and find out that Perry actually DID back his AG, not opposed him as you falsely claim here.
DOES NOT WORK.
We see through that one quite easily. But, tell you what, for all of you who just gotta take your cows to water in the river we'll build the fence around you on the North ~ but NO GATES.
You're on your own.
California border and Texas border are vastly different in terrain. What works one place is a costly boondoggle in another.
I said on another thread,
“They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” And you sure shouldn’t sell Liberty cheaply, for no purpose.
Stating that “it would not be the right direction for Texas” is not opposition. This is the Governor who called Social Security a “Ponzi scheme,” global warming a “carbon cult,” and called printing money for political purposes, “treasonous.”
The Feds only authorized 700 miles of fencing, and made actual efforts at 300. The border is 2000 miles long, and 1200 miles is in Texas. That wall was designed to be a failure: scalable with a truck or ladder, and un-manned. The plans always called for the fence to be “non-contiguous sections.”
Eminent domain by the Federal Government to take land and land use in Texas in order to set up a real fence would take 1200 miles, however deep, of private property from Texans. It would wipe out productive farms, ranches and homesteads owned by Americans. But again: there’s only plans for 300 miles in Texas.
“”The remaining 370 miles, to be built primarily in urban areas, are expected to have actual steel fencing. About 85 miles, in 26 noncontiguous sections, are expected to be built in Texas. The bulk of that fencing, about 70 miles, is slated for South Texas.””
We do have our DPS, our helicopters, our Rangers. We have 250 of the 1000 National Guardsmen and 2/6 aerial drones that Obama’s administration sent and we did win a reprieve when he decided to pull the troops after only 6 months. Then, there’s that fence, for all of its holes
We do have 1200 miles of border, so the few resources we have are stretched thin. By the time personnel reaches an area, say at the fence, where movement is detected, the invaders are nowhere to be seen.
One reason he “poo pooed” Arizona’s law was due to a part in it that would put the local law enforcement officers in danger of being sued. You know he was able to spot a bad part of the law that would have some unintended consequences. You know that does come from some experience in office.
A law for Arizona may not apply to Texas. A law might be good for California but not for Virginia, because we have different problems.
Perry doesn’t think Texas needs an Arizona-type law. You can say that, and attack him for it, and it would be the truth. But it’s false to claim he doesn’t support Arizona’s law, for ARIZONA. Arizona is NOT Texas, and it has different problems and needs different solutions than Texas might need.
I think Cesar Chavez, himself, was native born and preferred the use of American labor at a living wage ~ something like that.
A fence would work in some areas, but you know darn well it would be prohibitively expensive and downright dumb to fence much of that forbidding terrain.
As for the river, if this drought doesn’t break soon, they’ll be walking across on dry ground. Still gotta scale cliffs, though.
yeah, seriously.
Tunnels are a problem only if you want to detect them. If, instead, you want to destroy them upon the least discovery, they are no problem at all. Nobel demonstrated the solution. Just blow them up with a stick of dynamite.
America has 30+ million illegals. How many illegals have made it through Israel's tunnels?
I'm used to it. I lived on the border for 25 years and still have family there including my retired Border Patrol father in law. What we've got to stop are the 'sanctuary cities', anchor babies and government benefits for Mexican National illegal aliens and OTM's. Stop those and the problem will take care of itself. And how many miles long is that Israeli border wall?
WHICH federal powers would be greater? Like this is the DEMARK ~ that’s where it all starts. Just one mm to the other side is noman’s land.
Get with the common sense.
How much smaller is Israel’s border?
My point is that a wall/fence won’t work. We need to get serious... not argue about trivialities.
“I only see one problem with a border fence...”
Imagine machine gun turrets on the fence posts.
Problem solved.
Shoulder to shoulder National Guard would block the poor little bunny rabbits, too. You're right, high time we knocked down what fencing we have and open up the whole thing. What should we do about the ranchers who have water wells on their property to water their cattle and irrigate their fields (never mind that a good percent of it is unsuitable for cattle or vegetables).
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