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Ann Coulter: LIBERALS' VIEW OF DARWIN UNABLE TO EVOLVE ("The dog ate our fossils...")
AnnCoulter.com ^ | August 31, 2011 | Ann Coulter

Posted on 08/31/2011 8:16:15 PM PDT by RonDog

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To: Oceander
So you'd rather be told that what ain't so, is so?

I'm not saying I like it, but I've accepted the fact that intelligent design is our side's version of man-made global warming, except without the taxation and authoritarian government control.

I wish we weren't the party of creationism, but what to do. I'm open to your ideas.

21 posted on 08/31/2011 8:46:25 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: sargon
...the general lack of transitional fossils in the geological record?

Every single specimen in the fossil record is a transitional fossil, including your bones and mine when we die.

22 posted on 08/31/2011 8:48:24 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: sargon
It wasn't just "concocted" as a figleaf to cover up some supposed "error" in theory. The theory of punctuated equilibrium was actually developed by Stephen Jay Gould and Niles Eldredge to explain the exact opposite: the apparent monotony of the fossil record; that is, Eldredge and Gould set out to try and explain why the fossil record looked the way it does and why there wasn't apparent gradualism in the fossil record.

The explanation is, to summarize it (almost to the point of bowdlerizing it), that once a new species develops, it's form quickly stabilizes and thereafter most genetic changes result in slight genetic drifts and "wobbles" that nonetheless do not deviate too far from the original form of the species.

As to the (mis)use of punctuated equilibrium to "support" the myth of intelligent design or creationism, I think that Mr. Gould's words speak for themselves, and for him.
23 posted on 08/31/2011 8:50:24 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: Oceander

“There is more than sufficient evidence for evolution..”

Is it hidden away in Algore’s lockbox?


24 posted on 08/31/2011 8:50:44 PM PDT by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: RonDog

Very well written!


25 posted on 08/31/2011 8:50:56 PM PDT by MNDude (so that's what they meant by Carter's second term)
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To: MNDude

Freaking brilliant, I’d say. This is one of darling Ann’s finest works!


26 posted on 08/31/2011 8:52:58 PM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: fkabuckeyesrule
"Both of my brothers are Darwinians and this article describes them to a T."

Why Darwinists Reject Evolution

27 posted on 08/31/2011 8:53:54 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: GunRunner

Why haven’t we found tails on our ancestors?


28 posted on 08/31/2011 8:54:01 PM PDT by wastedyears (Of course you realize, this means war.)
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To: Carling
These aren't scientists

They are "scheisse-entists".

29 posted on 08/31/2011 8:54:11 PM PDT by sklar
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To: Oceander

If you’re looking for understanding of the Theory of Evolution or a cogent discussion of it, I’m afraid you will find most members on this forum sorely lacking.


30 posted on 08/31/2011 8:58:39 PM PDT by stormer
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To: GunRunner
I wish we weren't the party of creationism, but what to do. I'm open to your ideas.

A good point. Perhaps it might make more sense if one tries to pull it back into proper perspective with God's creation of the Universe. The Bible tells us why God created the Universe, but is less detail-oriented and more allegorical when it comes to the how. Evolution, in some form, is fact, so it must be the case that God created the world, and the Universe, so that it would evolve. In other words, evolution is part of the "How" in the question of how God created the Universe. He is still creating it.

To the objections that this presupposes some sort of flaw in God's creation, which is simply not possible as God is Perfect, the simple rejoinder is that evolution and the involvement of random chance in the process is part and parcel for God's desire that Man have free will. In other words, if God had simply pre-formed every jot and tittle of the human form in one go, right down to the last molecule, in final finished form, then the result would have been an automaton, a derivative robot with no genuine spark of self, of free will. Without free will there can be no real meaning to the worship of God because such worship would be the product of mere manufacture, and not a genuine choice of Good over Evil.

It is my speculation that evolution is just one of the many subtle ways in which the Lord works, and through which He created - and is still creating - the Universe and the world.
31 posted on 08/31/2011 8:58:48 PM PDT by Oceander (The phrase "good enough for government work" is not meant as a compliment)
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To: wastedyears

32 posted on 08/31/2011 8:59:32 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: GunRunner; Oceander

You wrote: “...I’ve accepted the fact that intelligent design is our side’s version of man-made global warming, except without the taxation and authoritarian government control. I wish we weren’t the party of creationism, but what to do...”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2764897/posts?page=487#487


33 posted on 08/31/2011 9:02:20 PM PDT by Matchett-PI (Obamageddon, Barackalypse Now! Bam is "Debt Man Walking" in 2012 - Rush Limbaugh)
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To: GunRunner

Every single specimen in the fossil record is a transitional fossil
Back to circular reasoning. Making a sweeping claim like that requires proof, and genetic evidence demonstrates the contrary.
34 posted on 08/31/2011 9:02:24 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Oceander
You are kidding, right? If you are not kidding, can you please explain the following scenario:

It is a scientific fact that for mankind to continue its existence it requires one male and one female. So, working backwards from what we know today as scientific fact, describe just a few of the steps necessary to go from where we are today to where we basically “emerged from the swamp” 16 billion years ago. Going backwards from the present, you will need to include the following at a minimum:

1. What was the evolutionary step just prior to the male having testes, a penis, a prostate, sperm, and a urethra.
2. What was the evolutionary step just prior to the male being able to attain a penile erection?
3. What was the evolutionary step just prior to the female having a vagina, fallopian tubes, ovaries, eggs, and a womb?
4. What was the evolutionary step just prior to the female having formed breasts in order to feed her babies?
5. What was the evolutionary step just prior to a male being physically and sexually attract to a female?
6. What was the evolutionary step just prior to multiple sperm being required to attack the egg so that one sperm can “get in” so it can fertilize the egg. (By the way, I think this is why males like team sports. :) )
7. What was the evolutionary step just prior to the fish-like, swimming sperm being propelled with a defined force from the male’s penis during ejaculation?

There are probably many more questions you should be able to answer, but these seven are probably enough at this point. Oh - and these seven questions would need to be answered for every form of life on earth that requires a male and female for procreation. Including strawberries.

Looking forward to your detailed, considerate, scientific, credible, logical, rational, convincing, and reasonable response.

Thanks.

35 posted on 08/31/2011 9:02:49 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: RonDog
If changes in appearance and function of organisms over an extended period of time constitute evidence of evolution, then instances where matter is organized to perform a specific function constitute evidence of intelligent design. There is ample evidence on either side, and a wealth of information to explore and work with. Too bad so many panties get in a twist over different ways to interpret evidence, to the extent it often devolves into demagoguery.

I happen to be a YEC because I accept what the biblical texts say on the face of it, along with the claim of those texts that our Creator inspired them precisely because it is fitting to know whence one came and whither one is going. But, in the interest of civility, and because we have too much in common, I am not about to denigrate those in this forum who reject the biblical texts. I can only hope they will return the favor. If they don't it is no loss to me.

Interesting how the bulk of geology tends toward aquatic activity. I don't suppose a certain flood has anything to do with it. Ha!

36 posted on 08/31/2011 9:04:20 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (minds change)
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To: Oceander

And one more thing: no Darwinist should be a detective as they have a difficult time seeing the clues.


37 posted on 08/31/2011 9:04:35 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Oceander
The Bible tells us why God created the Universe, but is less detail-oriented and more allegorical when it comes to the how.

When Monsignor Lemaitre was crafting the Big Bang theory, he didn't concern himself with such questions. When the Pope tried to use his theory to confirm Genesis, he voiced his objection.

I think the same thinking can apply to religious people like yourself, and while I don't personally subscribe to non-overlapping magisteria, it's probably the best way to approach the 'why' question.

38 posted on 08/31/2011 9:06:10 PM PDT by GunRunner (***Not associated with any criminal actions by the ATF***)
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To: Just mythoughts

The fraud of Man-made Global Warming exposes the fraud of Darwinism.

Both theories are accepted as axiomatic (dogma) by their followers, and skepticism is ridiculed.


39 posted on 08/31/2011 9:06:34 PM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro)
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To: GunRunner
I'm not saying I like it, but I've accepted the fact that intelligent design is our side's version of man-made global warming, except without the taxation and authoritarian government control. I wish we weren't the party of creationism, but what to do. I'm open to your ideas.

What part of this nation's standard do you wish to erase.

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Creation is NOT an 'ism', never has been and never will be. YOU can return to the party of 'ism'.

40 posted on 08/31/2011 9:07:36 PM PDT by Just mythoughts (Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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