Was Obama an Indonesian citizen? Evidence raises concerns over presidential qualification.

Klein Online ^ | 8 29 2011 | Aaron Klein

[tutstar]

Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility.

Obama’s American mother, Ann Dunham, separated from her first husband, Barack Obama Sr., in 1963 when the president was 2 years old. Dunham and Obama Sr. are reported to have later divorced.

In Hawaii, Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, an Indonesian, in 1965 and moved to Indonesia in October 1967.

Divorce documents filed in Hawaii on Aug. 20, 1980, refer to Obama as the “child” of both Soetoro and Dunham, indicating a possible adoption in the U.S.

The divorce records state: “The parties have 1 child(ren) below age 18 and 1 child(ren) above 18 but still dependent on the parties for education.”

[muawiyah]

The chil' got the citizenship of the mother unless she gave birth overseas ~ then, if she hadn't lived in the USA for so many years before turning a certain age, the baby didn't get USA citizenship.

The father would control if he were known (of course) and a US citizen himself.

[muawiyah]

A buncha’ stupid people would.

[Fantasywriter]

I see you on these threads relentlessly. Always defending Obama. Whatever floats your boat.

Just out of curiosity, which of Obama’s lies do you find most troubling? Are you aware that he lied about his basic childhood facts? Does that bother you at all? Does the fact that he fits the profile of a pathological liar to a tee bother you? If so, could you give me a link where you’ve ever expressed your concerns [re: Obama’s honesty and integrity (particularly re: his lies about his childhood)]? I grant I could well have missed it. I would find it fascinating reading, though, so if out of courtesy you could link me, I’d appreciate it. Thank you in advance.

[muawiyah]

This thread is about whether or not Obama could still be an Indonesian citizen ~ not “nachral” or “normal” or none of that stuff.

[muawiyah]

Indonesian citizenship law does not control American citizenship law. We bow to none on that anymore. Even the deal with Ireland and Italy no longer exists.

[muawiyah]

About 99.99999% of the cites you refer to trace back to a single source in a foreign country.

[DiogenesLamp]

From a legal standpoint, this argument is meaningless.

And that is always the argument from your side. Always what is the "technicalities" involved, rather than the principles involved. I, on the other hand, have always regarded the letter of the law to be subservient to the spirit of the law, and have little tolerance for legal sophistry.

As long as he was born a U.S. citizen and didn't renounce that citizenship, sure. Why have a 14 year residency requirement if it was necessary for the President to reside here his whole life?

The 14 years of residency was to build bonds to a specifically American Community so as to impart a sense of Belonging. I doubt they considered the possibility of a child being Raised by American Hating parents and transported at a very young age to live in a non American environment for many of his formative years.

Who would have thought that a guy that subsequently immersed himself in Racial hatred ideology, refused to wear an American flag pin, refused to salute at the national anthem, and demonstrated a hatred of everything American in so many ways, would turn out to be an Anti-American President?

[Jim Noble]

I don’t know about warm and fuzzy, but I would trade Obama for Biden, even Biden/Pelosi, in a second.

People who think Biden would be as bad as Obama don’t understand the situation we are in.

[Fantasywriter]

“People who think Biden would be as bad as Obama don’t understand the situation we are in.”

I want to ‘like’ this comment. Actually, I want to engrave it in stone, paint it on billboards and flash it in neon lights. Says it all!

[DiogenesLamp]

About 99.99999% of the cites you refer to trace back to a single source in a foreign country.

There is so much wrong with your comment I'm not sure where to begin.

I guess the first thing to point out is that anyone making up ridiculous probabilities didn't likely calculate them, so on the initial face of it, it is a false statement.

Secondly, claiming that all of the citations I made link back to a single source is implying that they were fabricated as opposed to being part of History. Nonsense.

Third, implying a foreign source is likewise an attempt to impugn their credibility.

Fourth, unless you have read every one of my citations, AND the ones I haven't posted yet, (impossible unless you've managed to get the data off of my machine somehow) then you cannot assert anything about them.

In summation, you sound like a crack pot, obfuscating for your own reasons, be they whatever they are, but a search for the truth is not among them. Here is a cite. Show me how it links back to a sole source in a foreign country.

[DiogenesLamp]

About 99.99999% of the cites you refer to trace back to a single source in a foreign country.

There is so much wrong with your comment I'm not sure where to begin.

I guess the first thing to point out is that anyone making up ridiculous probabilities didn't likely calculate them, so on the initial face of it, it is a false statement.

Secondly, claiming that all of the citations I made link back to a single source is implying that they were fabricated as opposed to being part of History. Nonsense.

Third, implying a foreign source is likewise an attempt to impugn their credibility.

Fourth, unless you have read every one of my citations, AND the ones I haven't posted yet, (impossible unless you've managed to get the data off of my machine somehow) then you cannot assert anything about them.

In summation, you sound like a crack pot, obfuscating for your own reasons, be they whatever they are, but a search for the truth is not among them. Here is a cite. Show me how it links back to a sole source in a foreign country.

[muawiyah]

You sound like you are new to this particular aspect of the debate. Several Freepers have already traced all the cites back to a single source. You can go look for it. I recommend using Google.com to search FR to find the threads where those materials are already posted.

[sometime lurker]

A citizen by the soil (native-born) is NOT eligible to be President unless he is also a citizen by blood (natural-born).

What proof do you have that this is the case? I've seen lots of opinion about this, but no proof.

[ridesthemiles]

Not that easily dismissed.

I believe that each & every document-treaty-letter-law-ANYTHING that Barry has signed in his imposter position as President of the USA is NULL & VOID. Not any different than someone forging your signature to your checks they stole.
NObama stole the nomination- then the election—under false information.

The biggest & best thing is that Obamacare will be VOID along with a large list of Executive Orders.

We cannot accept any of his signings when it is finally proven that he was never eligible in the first place.

[sometime lurker]

Another country, or your parents, or ANYONE (not even you) can lose your U.S. citizenship while under the age of majority (21). (and in some cases even after that (Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. 325 (1939))

Not according to the US State Department. Or do you know more about the rules than they do? And in Perkins v Elg, the decision was that she did not lose her citizenship.

[sometime lurker]

We can add Rogers vs. Bellei to your list

We thus have an acknowledgment that our law in this area follows English concepts with an acceptance of the jus soli, that is, that the place of birth governs citizenship status except as modified by statute.

[sometime lurker]

know of dozens of quotes from Statesmen, Historians, Law book References, Newspapers, etc. in support of the two citizen requirement. At the moment, I only know of THREE references that indicate otherwise.

Funny, I supplied you with far more than three in our last discussion of the matter. Have you forgotten already?

[wintertime]

This thread is about whether or not Obama could still be an Indonesian citizen ~ not “nachral” or “normal” or none of that stuff.

The following is from the FIRST sentence of the article!!!!!!

"Evidence continues to mount that President Obama was adopted by his Indonesian stepfather, Lolo Soetoro, raising concerns over his presidential eligibility".

Therefore when you bring up STUPID issues such as children's citizenship, I KNOW that you are deliberately muddying the water. This has been clarified HUNDREDS of times here on Free Republic. There is a difference between citizenship and one's ELIGIBILITY TO BE PRESIDENT!

Please check in with the DNC or the Department of Justice for some new talking points. Yours are complete thread bare and have been for some years now.

[El Sordo]

“What did I do???”

You deviated from Birther orthodoxy.

For shame.

[wintertime]

F. RENUNCIATION FOR MINOR CHILDREN
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Citizenship and natural born citizenship are TWO different things. You KNOW that! Why are you deliberately using tired and worn out talking points that come straight from the DNC and the Department of Justice?

Why? Is it so you can defend the usurper sitting the White House who has choked the economy, put millions out of work, and whose polices have killed our soldiers? This a man who posted a crudely forged document and called it a birth certificate.